2024 U.S. Presidential General Election Thread

[Robbie3000]

You can't be this slow.... if Israel falls in the Middle East what do you think happens? Think about this.... I know they call you smooth mind, think about it

Why don’t you tell us professor? I have my notebook ready to take notes.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

It's not that we don't understand, it's that you're arguing about "economic dependency" instead of just being real.

Israel is our gateway to the middle east, it is within spitting distance of energy.

Our dependency on oil is the main reason we're even fukking around out there.

The problem here is you're painting it as US being dependent on ISRAEL when in actuality
we're dependent on OIL and Israel is a material way to further those interests. However
to reiterate, we do not "need" Israel. Israel is not a necessary nation for this country at all actually.

It could disappear tomorrow and America would be fine.

You don't believe any of this. Well, maybe you do... but you're a thousand percent wrong that if Israel goes away in the region "nothing happens"

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

That's enough from single issue "undecided" voters who prop up grifters on here. Same old schtick.

 

[Insensitive]

border control is fascist now?

What we do on the border is violent.

It has continued no matter who is the president.

Whether it was Obama or Trump or Biden or Bush etc.
Just about every president that I've been alive to see has been terrible on the border and immigration.

And several of these Presidents helped to fan obvious hostilities towards (Brown) immigrants.

 

[Insensitive]

You don't believe any of this. Well, maybe you do... but you're a thousand percent wrong that if Israel goes away in the region "nothing happens"

I 100% believe it.

You didn't want to argue that we're pushing hostilities in the region due to oil because you now realize how patently fukking absurd
it is to imply in any way, shape or form that the US is dependent on Israel economically.

It isn't.
It never was.
And it never will be.

But since you're "done" have a good day.

 

[mastermind]

border control is fascist now?

Yes, what we do is very fascist. We, again, aren’t following our own laws with regards to the US/Mexico border.

 

[King Kreole]

legit crypto projects/people in the U.S.

this is an oxymoron.

 

[King Static X]

I'm just going to ignore the so-called "progressive" sect of HL.

Bad faith criticisms and wild exaggerations about Kamala. When the focus until Election Day should solely be on defeating Trump. SMH.

 

[King Kreole]

You don't understand how all of our economies are connected? I'd need you to explain that you understand this first before we can move on because "just cut Israel off and let them fend for themselves" is something I'd expect to hear from some College Freshmen idealist.... that's not a shot at you but that's how the post is coming off..

Of course we live in an interconnected global economy. Which is why allowing Israel to run amok and antagonize the most energy important region in the world is leading to concerns about oil prices spiking. Israel is actively contemplating destroying Iranian oil fields with American acquiescence and Iran is responding by threatening to M.A.D the other oil fields in the region and close off the Strait of Hormuz.



Similar to how the Houthis constricted Red Sea shipping routes that are critical to the global shipping economy. These are real life consequences and escalations that are happening right now because we refuse to abide by international and domestic law and join the international community in their assessment of this situation.

Now I need you to explain what economic benefit we get from giving Israel impunity to commit war crimes and aggress their neighbors. I don't think receiving Israeli surveillance technology is worth the geopolitical and economic ramifications of being considered the great Satan by the Middle East. What is the great economic harm that will befall us if we stop giving Israel a political and military blank check?

 

[Insensitive]

Tbh. These are not bad faith criticisms.

The problem is you now have to run up against unfortunate realities about the Democrats.

And instead of challenging your personal beliefs and looking at the evidence (Kamala's track record
as DA, Joe Biden's entire political career, hostilities in the middle east, our own nation's history in
the middle east and various other points/times in the past and present etc.)

You block it out, put your head in the sand and pretend it "doesn't exist".

The good thing is, within your lifetime you will see things you never thought possible and your
hatred and distaste for "Progressives" (No idea why it's in quotes but whatever...) will hopefully
been seen as ignorant hubris founded in preserving an empire and your own personal interests
and NOT as inherently "Good" but by then, it may be to little too late.

 

[wire28]

border control is fascist now?

its easy to talk about letting in everyone when you don’t live on a border. Trust me I don’t want those weirdos from Canada flooding downtown with their maple syrup and shyt

 

[Insensitive]

border control is fascist now?

There's about three hours of material to chew on here.
You can look at up the articles they quote and look further into the topic from there.
But essentially immigration, immigrants and the hostility towards them is largely bipartisan
and is enforced through agencies like ICE or Border Patrol and the violence is given cover
by saying "We're just protecting you from criminals".

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

This is interesting, @King Kreole just said exactly what I was saying.... yet @mastermind is not saying he's wrong

But where @King Kreole and I disagree on is.... Israel does have a right to defend themselves on these fronts. Both things can be true. Israel has committed atrocities in Gaza but Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian government are not "the good guys..." either... the way you portray them. These are conflicts that have been going on since well before any of us were born.

 

[Insensitive]

Israel is not "Defending itself".
It is the aggressor and always has been.

It does not have a right to exist and it does not have a right to murder indiscriminately.
And anyone with some sense and compassion can see that this is a crazy stance to hold.

 

[King Kreole]

Also, this idea that Kamala's platform is only SLIGHTLY left to Trump is hilarious... it's so comedic that it's not even worth entertaining. They are worlds apart on issues, I'm not going to play some make believe game you guys want to play because you are single issue voters.

There's nothing wrong with being a single issue voter but we've gone down this path a hundred times before.

Who claimed that Kamala's platform is only slightly left of Trump's? We're comparing her platform and campaign to those of previous Democratic Presidents and campaigns. The claim is that she's been pivoting to the right and running the most right-wing Democratic campaign in many cycles, and we're debating what the implications of this are. But we can't even agree on basic principles because y'all have Trump Derangement Syndrome and respond to any critical assessment of Kamala's campaign by pointing to Trump and saying he's worse, which has absolutely no bearing on the argument at hand. Like, we haven't even been mentioning Trump when critiquing Kamala because we all believe she is better than him and voting for him is off the table. If you keep allowing Trump to set the standard for what is acceptable and unacceptable, then he's already won even if he loses because we're continually being pulled down to his level and we're living in a world defined by his bullshyt. We have to have beliefs and ideas and standards that exist outside of Trump.