2024 U.S. Presidential General Election Thread

[Piff Huxtable]

Trying be Ashley Todd I see

blast from the past

I haven't seen that racist whore in 16 years

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Sorry, but we don't have 50 years and billions of dollars to build a viable 3rd party. Especially, when a majority of 3rd party progressive candidates are bankrolled by Russians or Republicans trying to cannibalize the ONLY progressive option.

You attack the intelligence, but completely ignorant to the reality of the REALIZED voting SITUATION.

I've seen this argument from people. I even have a family member who was starting to drink the RFK Jr. Kool-Aid about attacking Big Pharma and all the other shyt he was spouting before predictably folding into Trump's camp. Now this family member won't admit he was duped...

In the same way that others won't admit they were duped and then duped again by Cornel.

There is no viable 3rd party and there never will be. So instead of dreaming about a fantasy world, I rather live in the real world and I'm voting for the candidates where I align with them on 80% of issues instead of the candidates where I align with 2% of the issues. And to be honest, 2% is probably generous, I don't think there's a single thing I agree with this Republican party on.

People run in here and talk about "knowledge" or talk about people being "shills" for the Democrats but if they cannot understand where we are coming from then I have to say it's they who don't have enough real world knowledge/experience and need to start to wake up. That goes back to why I tell and advocate people to get involved on the local level because it's there where you can really make a difference and put people in a position where they will go to bat for you and your issues. Then hopefully it makes it's way to Washington little by little...

 

[mastermind]

paste my quote about maternity leave

I do not understand why no politician runs on family leave/maternity leave. It’s a lay up of a position that isn’t the issue during any campaign. Imagine if Kamala ran on that and had a comprehensive plan. Even Trump would come up with a janky plan because it’s such a winning position.

We’re fortunate that you’re not running the campaign

This is will easily get flipped into another socialist handout by Fox News

I think you misunderstood what I was saying

Running on a policy of paid family leave will reach a lot of people as another government hand out by tax payer dollars

HL acting like this is some kind of home run to win an election is silly

Unfortunately American politics don’t work that way

now paste the quote where this claim is from:

Remember when @mastermind was calling Biden anti union for not letting the railroad workers strike

 

[King Kreole]

Why were you implying that you live in Europe?

What?? When did I do this?? I think you've fallen for a dumbass meme started by some of the dimmest minds to post in here.

Why are ten other posters saying you live in Europe?

Because they don't like my politics and I embarrassed them so they're holding a petty grudge.

I'm not calling you a liar at all.. I'm asking a question. If you do live here then all of the "policy" if you can call it that outlined in 'Project 2025' should be very concerning to you and your family as it is to mine.

Of course! Which is why I have supported Kamala's campaign, already donated 4 figures, and plan on volunteering to help her get elected.

As for the facts you ignored, look.. I have posted several times on this topic. The last piece of data I posted showed that Israel-Gaza ranked #10 on issues that Americans are concerned about. Again, I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed but anytime we start talking about reproductive rights or housing costs or inflation etc. it is getting drowned out repeatedly. That's my point.

Cool, I get that point, you should feel free to post about whatever issues you believe aren't getting enough attention in this election. I think part of the problem is that Kamala isn't really campaigning on a bold policy agenda, she's primarily benefitting from anti-Biden/Trump energy and being a new media story. Most of this isn't necessarily her fault because Congressional gridlock means domestic policy campaigning has to be more visionary than practical, but she's not even really setting that bold of a vision on the issues you mentioned.

On housing, I think her $25K down-payment support plan is a very solid idea, but I agree with this article on the contradictory imperatives she's trying to balance with her housing goals:

Kamala Harris’s big housing plan has a big problem

It's a classic example of the Democrats being a (too) big tent party and having to screw over one coalition. I'm watching carefully to see which way she leans. But it's very refreshing to see a Democratic campaign focus on an issue like housing. It's savvy politics and a genuine issue for many young Americans.

Reproductive rights is a slightly different problem. The steps required to seriously fix this issue are not ones Kamala and the Democrats are willing to take yet. Biden's SC reform idea that Kamala took the baton on is a decent first step, but it's not enough. I'm sure it will win them the election against Trump and that freak Vance, but I don't see abortion rights being federally enshrined during Kamala's administration.
On inflation, I'm a big fan of her price-gouging framework, and her proposal to tax unrealized gains is something that has me as an OG Warren stan. But as Liz says, personnel is policy, so I'm interested to see if she signals she'll keep the Biden economic populist team.

On immigration, she sucks and has adopted MAGA framing and policy. It's interesting to see if this is the new Democratic Party direction. Trump and Bannon attempted this in 2016. Turn the southern border into a hot zone so you can pivot to nationalism and run on strong(wo)man vibes. Not a bad political instinct, but pretty rancid from a principled perspective.

On the environment, her response to Dana Bash on this question was trash. She basically said "well the IRA is my environmental policy"

On guns, she's just going with the same old same old "finally pass red flag laws, universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban" stock messaging and policies the Democrats have been campaigning on for a long time now. Would be awesome if she does it, but I see no reason to get my hopes up on this.

Any other non-Gaza issues you'd like to discuss?

Also, there are several times where we are attempting to have an intelligent conversation on say Kamala's chances in North Carolina and I'm discussing encouraging data in reference to split-ticketing and immediately it's drowned out by these same discussions.. it's not that I am interested in the horse race of it all, I am simply interested in red states turning blue because that is what's best for everyone in this country. Why are people happier in blue states.. why are people living better lives in blue states.. why is it that blue states are carrying the entire U.S. GDP, etc. I'm not a "blind Democrat" I am just speaking on the reality in which we live. I always advocate for people to get involved on the local level first just like I did when I was 18. That's where it starts.

I'm not a poll-watching horserace guy so I have nothing to contribute on these kinds of topics. But if your argument that Democrats have better policy prescriptions than Republicans, sign me up. I think Republicanism is a completely illegitimate governing ideology and should be eradicated from any semblance of a moral, proper society. I've always held that position, and it's why I get pissed off when I see Democrats making any sort of attempt to normalize it.

 

[Loose]

Hamas supporters like @Loose are done

I'm confused what hamas have to do with Palestinians that was killed? Does the kkk speak for me and you?

 

[CrimsonTider]

now paste the quote where this claim is from:

the discussion was about campaigning And you claimed that was a layup argument and said it wasn’t

 

[Robbie3000]

Sorry friend, I don’t take kindly to someone too embarrassed to admit where they are from shytting on black Americans for advocating for their families and trying to keep Trump out of the White House especially when those same people too embarrassed to admit where they are from and touting their intellectual and moral superiority were just advocating for Trump to be in office so he could liberate black people across the world not too long ago.



I know the dems suck and all that but check who you are in the stands cheering with big dog. You looking just as goofy as them.

You literally cheer a dotard who facilitates genocide, colonialism and ethnic cleansing and you attack people primarily for criticizing the dotard.

Blue MAGA gone blue MAGA I suppose.

 

[mastermind]

the discussion was about campaigning And you claimed that was a layup argument and said it wasn’t

Nope. You said that more than likely because you don’t care about leave for babies and people lambasted your right wing dumbass for saying it.


Now post where I made that claim about Biden and the railroad workers Unions.

 

[King Kreole]

Sorry, but we don't have 50 years and billions of dollars to build a viable 3rd party. Especially, when a majority of 3rd party progressive candidates are bankrolled by Russians or Republicans trying to cannibalize the ONLY progressive option.

You attack the intelligence, but completely ignorant to the reality of the REALIZED voting SITUATION.

I'm not advocating building a viable 3rd party, I'm advocating transforming the Democratic Party into a good party. And that can't happen if they can't be criticized for their failures.

I don't give a shyt about the Dems. I never have, but I only vote Republican at the local level occasionally. I won't waste my vote on a non-viable 3rd party that's not even available to vote in all the states.

Voting Republican is WORSE than "wasting" your vote on a non-viable 3rd party

Well, what the fukk we supposed to do about it now? Just throw away our votes. Like c'mon... Some of us don't have to time to constantly bytch for the next eternity over how badly Dems constantly fukk up and sleep on issues . We need to vote. We need to vote for someone that actually wins. Trump has to lose, but I get you probably gives zero fukks who wins at this point. We know Harris or Trump doesn't serve you.

I THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE. I THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR KAMALA. I THINK YOU SHOULD CRITICIZE KAMALA AND THE PARTY WHEN THEY DO BAD THINGS LIKE SUPPORT GENOCIDE OR NORMALIZE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR IDEOLOGY SO THEY'RE PRESSURED TO DO GOOD THINGS LIKE STOPPING GENOCIDE AND BEATING REPUBLICANS AND THEIR IDEOLOGY.

Constantly "bytching" is a central premise of being an engaged participant in civic life. Shutting up and refusing to criticize people in power is how you slip into fascism. bytching is like going to the gym of democracy. You should be doing it for the rest of your life. A lot of people got bamboozled by Obama's dumbass "Don't boo, vote" line. Booing and bytching is how you make sure you have options worth voting for.

 

[the cac mamba]

Who in here "hates the left" and progressives?

 

[br82186]

So now they trying to use black women who are c--ns and the idea that menthol cigarettes might be banned to get the black vote...

 

[bnew]

 

[King Kreole]

Sorry friend, I don’t take kindly to someone too embarrassed to admit where they are from shytting on black Americans for advocating for their families and trying to keep Trump out of the White House especially when those same people too embarrassed to admit where they are from and touting their intellectual and moral superiority were just advocating for Trump to be in office so he could liberate black people across the world not too long ago.

This homunculus got kicked in the head by a horse in 2016 and has no ability to discern that 8 years have passed since then.

 

[taker597]

Voting Republican is WORSE than "wasting" your vote

Yeah... You're definitely a foreigner. You don't understand local level politics aren't bi-partisan. These local level candidates aren't great and you really have to dissect their platform. Especially, in Texas

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Of course! Which is why I have supported Kamala's campaign, already donated 4 figures, and plan on volunteering to help her get elected.


Cool, I get that point, you should feel free to post about whatever issues you believe aren't getting enough attention in this election. I think part of the problem is that Kamala isn't really campaigning on a bold policy agenda, she's primarily benefitting from anti-Biden/Trump energy and being a new media story. Most of this isn't necessarily her fault because Congressional gridlock means domestic policy campaigning has to be more visionary than practical, but she's not even really setting that bold of a vision on the issues you mentioned.

On housing, I think her $25K down-payment support plan is a very solid idea, but I agree with this article on the contradictory imperatives she's trying to balance with her housing goals:

Kamala Harris’s big housing plan has a big problem

It's a classic example of the Democrats being a (too) big tent party and having to screw over one coalition. I'm watching carefully to see which way she leans. But it's very refreshing to see a Democratic campaign focus on an issue like housing. It's savvy politics and a genuine issue for many young Americans.

Reproductive rights is a slightly different problem. The steps required to seriously fix this issue are not ones Kamala and the Democrats are willing to take yet. Biden's SC reform idea that Kamala took the baton on is a decent first step, but it's not enough. I'm sure it will win them the election against Trump and that freak Vance, but I don't see abortion rights being federally enshrined during Kamala's administration.
On inflation, I'm a big fan of her price-gouging framework, and her proposal to tax unrealized gains is something that has me as an OG Warren stan. But as Liz says, personnel is policy, so I'm interested to see if she signals she'll keep the Biden economic populist team.

On immigration, she sucks and has adopted MAGA framing and policy. It's interesting to see if this is the new Democratic Party direction. Trump and Bannon attempted this in 2016. Turn the southern border into a hot zone so you can pivot to nationalism and run on strong(wo)man vibes. Not a bad political instinct, but pretty rancid from a principled perspective.

On the environment, her response to Dana Bash on this question was trash. She basically said "well the IRA is my environmental policy"

On guns, she's just going with the same old same old "finally pass red flag laws, universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban" stock messaging and policies the Democrats have been campaigning on for a long time now. Would be awesome if she does it, but I see no reason to get my hopes up on this.

Any other non-Gaza issues you'd like to discuss?


I'm not a poll-watching horserace guy so I have nothing to contribute on these kinds of topics. But if your argument that Democrats have better policy prescriptions than Republicans, sign me up. I think Republicanism is a completely illegitimate governing ideology and should be eradicated from any semblance of a moral, proper society. I've always held that position, and it's why I get pissed off when I see Democrats making any sort of attempt to normalize it.

1. I'll take your word on it that you are not from or live in a European nation. For the record, I have no issue with Europeans discussing American politics, that would be crazy.. What I do have an issue with is people who don't live here trying to tell me or my family what issues we should care about.

2. I have also been supporting Kamala's campaign

3. The reason why I was fine with Kamala taking a while to really start to dig into policy is because all of this is on short notice. She was gaining traction on "vibes" alone and I was fine with that because I'd rather have a Democrat elected on vibes than a Republican elected at all.. I said that she needed to get into policy at some point and now she has begun to do that.

4. We were just having a discussion that basic common sense is that obviously most people who own a home are pleased that the value of their home has skyrocketed but for young people it has priced them out.. part of being a big tent is the willingness and expectation that there will have to be some compromises along the way so I'm interested to see how Kamala handles that, I don't agree with that article you were referring to but I am not going to speed walk through this issue in one post so I will comment on it further in another post.

5. We agree on price gouging and that's something where I am looking forward to seeing more concrete details on how that's going to work or how corporations will be held accountable.... etc...

6. Yes, that's exactly why I am invested in data but the data I was talking about in regards to North Carolina has more to do with split-ticket trajectories and some growing blue regions than the typical polling data that we discuss here... The bottom line is I'm invested in areas that are purple....turning blue or areas that are blue,... growing..