HBCUs experiencing lower Black Male enrollment.

[CrimsonTider]

the issue at hand is too deep for the TLR and people are so conditioned that they can't even comprehend when you tell them the things they are have their mind to think as being normal is not normal what so ever.

Say what now?

 

[Wiseborn]

If it worked for you that's beautiful.


But exceptions aren't rules. Starting out in debt is such a letdown in life. Average kid doesn't know jack about finances but gets saddled with 80k debt plus interest right out of the gate. And they wonder why the middle class is disappearing. Taught everybody debt was cool then priced everybody out of shyt so debt became necessary to live.

true generally your advice is the best Debt is slavery but also generally speaking School debt is good debt.

 

[Cloutius Maximus]

Your story is your story...

But there is still a disconnect somewhere.

Girls do question things just like boys.

So what causes people of similar backgrounds from taking different paths.

Our (I say our because there are step parents involved) parents encouraged all the kids to finish HS and seek higher education beyond it. Yet still the boys faltered and it took 10+ to get back on track.

That's what needs to be studied. Your answer seems to imply that black boys need continuous daily direction and motivation and a school teacher that looks like them or caters to them. That may be possible in the DMV , but the majority of the country that's not gonna happen.

So what's the solution

Women have social support at all levels and women are more social in general. Lot of men drop out due to lack of social integration i.e. joining clubs, having a friend group also in college. So if you just go to school alone, go home alone, study alone and aren't very dedicated to school it's likely you will dropout eventually. It happened to me. Started as an Accounting major, and slowly but surely I dropped out. Dropping out of school doesn't usually happen suddenly, it's like a bucket being filled with water drop by drop until it overflows. One semester where you miss the enrollment deadline, another where you only go part time (6 or 7 credits), and it builds from there.

Also there is more pressure for boys to get resources NOW and be successful in various ways NOW. think of something like sex where there is so much pressure on black boys specifically to be players and knock down a bunch of women. Women have pressure to be sexual in our modern society, but getting laid is easy as 123 and they can put off finding a partner til later (which many advise is a bad idea but I digress). Frees up time and energy for educational pursuits.

So much of this IMO stems from neglect, loneliness and the palpable feeling that NO ONE gives a fukk. Not bw, not "society" or the government, not other black men who see you as competition, even your parents might be ill-equipped to prepare you for 21st century life, caught up in their own stress/depression or flat out neglectful (usually a mix of all 3). I'd also argue men get a little too caught up in escapism (movies, music, tv, sports, vidya games, porn) which we use to find inspiration, distraction, or self-soothing pain from stress. Women are better integrated socially so they don't go quite as hard on escapism tho it seems to be getting worse for women because their loneliness is increasing too (female porn viewership is rising). Also: sometimes men are too defiant for their own good. Women hear "go to school or you'll be broke", see their peers go to college and that's that. Men ask "why do I need to do this?" but sometimes the majority is going a certain way because it fukking works, going against the grain can be shooting yourself in the foot. nikka, you aint Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg, or Nas. Go to school and finish.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

We need more Black men emphasizing education.

My great-grandfather's generation (brehs that fought in WW1) were ALLLLLLLL about encouraging the kids to study hard and getting their education. That shyt was drilled into the youngins.

At some point, the Black paternal message stopped including education. My g-grandpa couldn't even read but he understood the advantages that education brings. Somewhere with the Boomer brehs...the message got lost. If the Boomer breh went to college himself, he talked education....but many Boomer brehs didn't even need degrees because of how different the labor market was for them.

I think that's where shyt went sideways and we haven't caught up since.

Black girls don't even consider blue collar work so they automatically know college is their path.

Black boys don't wanna go to college but also don't have men in the house to show them how to work with their hands....so they tune out school but have zero pathways into blue collar work. Edgar can go hang with Uncle Juan on the construction site. Chad can hang with his pops on plumbing/HVAC calls.

Jamal doesn't wanna go military, doesn't want to go to college and isn't prepared for lucrative trades work. Jamal needs initiative. My mom always told me that "if you get yourself locked up, I don't have the money to get you out." Basically the idea that if I want something, I gotta make it happen. These young brehs gotta think about what they want from life and then plan how to get it. At some point, you have to take control of your own destiny.

Young men in general are falling behind....not just young brehs. That's a much bigger discussion but it's gonna affect Latinos and whites too. Asians and African immigrants don't have this issue as much.

 

[ViShawn]

Women have social support at all levels and women are more social in general. Lot of men drop out due to lack of social integration i.e. joining clubs, having a friend group also in college. So if you just go to school alone, go home alone, study alone and aren't very dedicated to school it's likely you will dropout eventually. It happened to me. Started as an Accounting major, and slowly but surely I dropped out. Dropping out of school doesn't usually happen suddenly, it's like a bucket being filled with water drop by drop until it overflows. One semester where you miss the enrollment deadline, another where you only go part time (6 or 7 credits), and it builds from there.

Also there is more pressure for boys to get resources NOW and be successful in various ways NOW. think of something like sex where there is so much pressure on black boys specifically to be players and knock down a bunch of women. Women have pressure to be sexual in our modern society, but getting laid is easy as 123 and they can put off finding a partner til later (which many advise is a bad idea but I digress). Frees up time and energy for educational pursuits.

So much of this IMO stems from neglect, loneliness and the palpable feeling that NO ONE gives a fukk. Not bw, not "society" or the government, not other black men who see you as competition, even your parents might be ill-equipped to prepare you for 21st century life, caught up in their own stress/depression or flat out neglectful (usually a mix of all 3). I'd also argue men get a little too caught up in escapism (movies, music, tv, sports, vidya games, porn) which we use to find inspiration, distraction, or self-soothing pain from stress. Women are better integrated socially so they don't go quite as hard on escapism tho it seems to be getting worse for women because their loneliness is increasing too (female porn viewership is rising). Also: sometimes men are too defiant for their own good. Women hear "go to school or you'll be broke", see their peers go to college and that's that. Men ask "why do I need to do this?" but sometimes the majority is going a certain way because it fukking works, going against the grain can be shooting yourself in the foot. nikka, you aint Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg, or Nas. Go to school and finish.

This is exactly how I feel. We have some charities that are specific to Black men and the OP I mentioned is specific to help men in society. We need action to help men be better for our mothers, girlfriends wives etc

 

[ViShawn]

We need more Black men emphasizing education.

My great-grandfather's generation (brehs that fought in WW1) were ALLLLLLLL about encouraging the kids to study hard and getting their education. That shyt was drilled into the youngins.

At some point, the Black paternal message stopped including education. My g-grandpa couldn't even read but he understood the advantages that education brings. Somewhere with the Boomer brehs...the message got lost. If the Boomer breh went to college himself, he talked education....but many Boomer brehs didn't even need degrees because of how different the labor market was for them.

I think that's where shyt went sideways and we haven't caught up since.

Black girls don't even consider blue collar work so they automatically know college is their path.

Black boys don't wanna go to college but also don't have men in the house to show them how to work with their hands....so they tune out school but have zero pathways into blue collar work. Edgar can go hang with Uncle Juan on the construction site. Chad can hang with his pops on plumbing/HVAC calls.

Jamal doesn't wanna go military, doesn't want to go to college and isn't prepared for lucrative trades work. Jamal needs initiative. My mom always told me that "if you get yourself locked up, I don't have the money to get you out." Basically the idea that if I want something, I gotta make it happen. These young brehs gotta think about what they want from life and then plan how to get it. At some point, you have to take control of your own destiny.

Young men in general are falling behind....not just young brehs. That's a much bigger discussion but it's gonna affect Latinos and whites too. Asians and African immigrants don't have this issue as much.

The article I got was created by the American Institute for Boys & Men. May be worthy to donate.

But there may be some that are Black Male specific. The only one I've found is something locally for me.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

This seems to match the general trend of men abandoning college all together

 

[Wiseborn]

We need more Black men emphasizing education.

My great-grandfather's generation (brehs that fought in WW1) were ALLLLLLLL about encouraging the kids to study hard and getting their education. That shyt was drilled into the youngins.

At some point, the Black paternal message stopped including education. My g-grandpa couldn't even read but he understood the advantages that education brings. Somewhere with the Boomer brehs...the message got lost. If the Boomer breh went to college himself, he talked education....but many Boomer brehs didn't even need degrees because of how different the labor market was for them.

I think that's where shyt went sideways and we haven't caught up since.

Black girls don't even consider blue collar work so they automatically know college is their path.

Black boys don't wanna go to college but also don't have men in the house to show them how to work with their hands....so they tune out school but have zero pathways into blue collar work. Edgar can go hang with Uncle Juan on the construction site. Chad can hang with his pops on plumbing/HVAC calls.

Jamal doesn't wanna go military, doesn't want to go to college and isn't prepared for lucrative trades work. Jamal needs initiative. My mom always told me that "if you get yourself locked up, I don't have the money to get you out." Basically the idea that if I want something, I gotta make it happen. These young brehs gotta think about what they want from life and then plan how to get it. At some point, you have to take control of your own destiny.

Young men in general are falling behind....not just young brehs. That's a much bigger discussion but it's gonna affect Latinos and whites too. Asians and African immigrants don't have this issue as much.

This.

I was gonna bring up another point.

I don't want to indentify the exact neighborhood I was in but it was all Black and all the schools where named after Black People.

Needless to say I grew up in the Hotep area. Despite the bullshyt I was involved in I had a firm grasp of Black history and I knew what happened to us.

When I failed my geometry class I said to myself We invented Geometry and I can't pass it?

again like the the other brother said about drop outs being exposes to the drip drip drip of social exclusion, I had the drip drip drip of Knowledge of self and Black Pride

So a little shame and encouragement was enough to get me down the ight path.

 

[Bigwhite2498]

The world is not too dissimilar for black women and black men.
Black mothers can center their children in blackness and explain the differences faced by both black women and black men.
This takes reflecting on the differences among black women and black men in a patriarchal society that gives black women greater access than their counterparts, and speaking this reflection to reach their sons like it does their daughters.

Black women and black men share equal fault but it ain't the same kind of fault.
I agree with you, but the reality is we got more black single mothers than we do black single fathers.
That is the target area because black boys are being raised in a home with single mothers.
Controlling how and who we, as men, reproduce with is as important if not more important for us because if moms start harboring negative emotions toward black men, guess who goin' to catch hell at home?

Black men need to step up, the sooner we can mentor and interact with young black men and give them some good advice the better.
But if moms ain't havin' it, what can we do?

I think about this when thinkin' about having kids. We gotta move with intention with a woman that will support us building.
...we gotta be serious about building.

Peace.

I agree with everything you said and appreciate it conversation

 

[Boxchevy]

what's the new model? How could Black Aunties be fading? There's more of them than ever especially with the advances in healthcare.

The new model is the black aunties of today and in the future will not be as heavily invested into putting black men on. Black men have to work together and save themselves...this is what black women are doing...it's a harsh reality that black men refuse to accept...

 

[BaileyPark31]

The new model is the black aunties of today and in the future will not be as heavily invested into putting black men on. Black men have to work together and save themselves...this is what black women are doing...it's a harsh reality that black men refuse to accept...

I agree.

Only people that can encourage Black men to do better is Black men themselves.

Even if college became free nationally, you still have to push yourself to finish.

 

[V Skyye]

The new model is the black aunties of today and in the future will not be as heavily invested into putting black men on. Black men have to work together and save themselves...this is what black women are doing...it's a harsh reality that black men refuse to accept...

Right. Aunties are living their own lives right now and are more likely to be involved in women’s groups. You lose credibility when you put the fault of all the community’s problems on Black women. Especially with so many putting them down for having “meaningless” liberal art degrees and student debt. Meanwhile, those debt ridden Black women social workers are on the front lines helping Black kids in poverty, in schools, and in after school programs.

This site loves Black people in an abstract sense when speaking generally about uplifting communities. But hates individual Black people, judges them harshly for any misstep or behavior that’s disagreeable, and acts like most Black women and kids are burdens to society.

Meanwhile the first third of this thread was all about young Black men going to college to get more sexual access instead of the importance of them finding the right fit for education and job opportunities. And we wonder why our kids can barely last one semester. Just performative and completely unserious.

 

[Wiseborn]

The new model is the black aunties of today and in the future will not be as heavily invested into putting black men on. Black men have to work together and save themselves...this is what black women are doing...it's a harsh reality that black men refuse to accept...

I agree with you Yes the old school Aunties are a dying breed.

Social media is the ID of people's thought and Black women especially FBA women drive social media Hotep is a epithet and Divestment is presented as a rational choice so yeah you're right Generation Alpha kids better be Alpha is they want some traction.

 

[Wiseborn]

I agree.

Only people that can encourage Black men to do better is Black men themselves.

Even if college became free nationally, you still have to push yourself to finish.

You don't realize the ramifications of you agreeing with him.

This is where you're supposed to say we're wrong.

With all the stats Black Men are still way richer and more married than Black women.

Those Aunties don't help Black Men and boys for charity they do it out of necessity.

I got the help and the degree and I still left. Just imagine if like Malcolm X was told y Brother Baines Have you ever met a good white man?

Imagine if a Black Man is told by another Black Man Have you ever met a good Black woman outside of your immediate family?

You expect a Black Man who seen women either indifferent to him or trying to get more than she receives from him to be loyal to the Black community?

I'm telling you as a Man with similar sentiments the breh who you agreed with is gone complete SYSBM They're not male divestors but that's a way to explain their though process,

I had help but most of it was people putting a bug in my ear and me realizing good advice when I heard it at the end of the day the Black Men you know, Me and every other Brother will figure it out eventually or they will die.

That's the difference between Men and women a Man makes poor decisions he;s held super accountable a half way decent looking chick can bat her eyes and be saved by a simp.

Problem is any Black Man who has to scratch scrape and crawl himself up from the communitah is unlikely to simp.

 

[Wiseborn]

Right. Aunties are living their own lives right now and are more likely to be involved in women’s groups. You lose credibility when you put the fault of all the community’s problems on Black women. Especially with so many putting them down for having “meaningless” liberal art degrees and student debt. Meanwhile, those debt ridden Black women social workers are on the front lines helping Black kids in poverty, in schools, and in after school programs.

This site loves Black people in an abstract sense when speaking generally about uplifting communities. But hates individual Black people, judges them harshly for any misstep or behavior that’s disagreeable, and acts like most Black women and kids are burdens to society.

Meanwhile the first third of this thread was all about young Black men going to college to get more sexual access instead of the importance of them finding the right fit for education and job opportunities. And we wonder why our kids can barely last one semester. Just performative and completely unserious.

I understand what you're driving at but social work is not charity and I laid out exactly what people did for me. The auntie secretary just didn't get me kicked out of the dorm which was allowed by my Male Dorm Director

The Teachers taught and got paid The people in the Arch development program was either paid or given a stipend to help us.

No one carried me on their backs. No one gave me any money. I'm with you on the disparagement of higher education. I don't use mines perse in my career but it opened doors and it's prerequsite for white collar middle management work.

I know a few exceptional people who climbed the corporate ladder without a degree but all professional education at work is based on the idea that you have a degree and know certain things so chances are you'd have to go to college while working a challenging job if you didn"t go to school