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Howard University (One of the top HBCUs) is 25% men, 19% Black Men and dropping lower over time
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Ezekiel 25:17
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Since we're talking about black men and college, why is it black men are making more than black women, despite less College educated and higher incarceration rates?
Not starting a gender war, but the stats show black men are making more than black women
I’m a lawyer, so I wouldn’t say I’ve dedicated my career to it lol.
And I don’t think you’ve interacted with me much (I’ve posted less frequently over the last few years), but you deeply misunderstand me if you think I’m an advocate for the system.
I’m an advocate for navigating and surviving the system - but I’m heavily opposed to this iteration of the American model of the capitalist mode of production.
Because I do not have the ability to radically shift them system - I push for a better way to survive.
So a policy of harm reduction. I get it.
I think the things you advocate, which are standard, are inadequate. And there's mountains of evidence about the inadequacy.
And I'm certainly not suggesting anything that would upend the twin evils of unchecked capitalism and racism.
I'm saying the menu of options for getting more Black kids into "institutions" just misses the mark.
There's a general unwillingness to look at the system as a whole, because ultimately, there's no vision of what we want that system to produce.
The way this whole debate is framed
1) More of the knuckleheads in college - despite that not really working for White people - who own and run the system for themselves.
2) Do nothing
3) Violent Maoist resolution
4) Let's all go back to Africa
A paucity of imagination...
Field Marshall Bradley
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No. Young black men have been pretty much abandoned by society… Hence the derogatory acronym YN(young nikkas) is easily applied to any black man that looks under the age of 22… lumping scholars, athletes, motivated young brothers with reckless, abandoned, violent and misguided young brothers
This is a good question!
It’s several things: 1) wage depression for most female-heavy fields; 2) median salary does not include men or women who are unemployed, have dropped out of the workforce entirely, or who are incarcerated or hospitalized; 3) blue-collar entry work still has a slightly higher median than white-collar entry work, 4) the data cannot entirely account for unreported “side-hustles” and cash work.
No it’s not. My point is that there are numerous programs focused on enrichment of black boys
I just don’t understand our people sometimes, man. I really don’t 
. You don’t have to be a mathematician or some shyt to easily notice the racial demographics/ethnicities that earn the most in this country are the most educated. I mean, without fail.
The anti-intellectualism shyt that a lot of you all parrot is incredibly disconcerting, because it’s probably bullshyt you pass onto your kids, family, etc. However, I also recognize that it‘s symptom of a bigger game that’s been played on black people. It’s a macro issue (i.e., anti-intellectualism). They’ve been telling our kids education doesn’t matter, making it more difficult to attend, more costly, etc. All the while—they’re dedicating entire wings and buildings to get their kids into Duke, Stanford, Harvard, et al. Why?
Because it clearly matters.
Ultimately, social and economic mobility is incredibly challenging. It’s becoming increasingly harder because of the wealth gap (see Great Gatsby Curve). With that being said, it’s easier to educate your way out of poverty than it is to work your way out of poverty. I mean, look at the fukking numbers.
. You don’t have to be a mathematician or some shyt to easily notice the racial demographics/ethnicities that earn the most in this country are the most educated. I mean, without fail.The anti-intellectualism shyt that a lot of you all parrot is incredibly disconcerting, because it’s probably bullshyt you pass onto your kids, family, etc. However, I also recognize that it‘s symptom of a bigger game that’s been played on black people. It’s a macro issue (i.e., anti-intellectualism). They’ve been telling our kids education doesn’t matter, making it more difficult to attend, more costly, etc. All the while—they’re dedicating entire wings and buildings to get their kids into Duke, Stanford, Harvard, et al. Why?
Because it clearly matters.
Ultimately, social and economic mobility is incredibly challenging. It’s becoming increasingly harder because of the wealth gap (see Great Gatsby Curve). With that being said, it’s easier to educate your way out of poverty than it is to work your way out of poverty. I mean, look at the fukking numbers.
I don’t disagree at all, and you sound like you’d have been a great accompaniment when I met with Sherrod Brown a few years ago to propose an amendment to an omnibus bill to revive a national job works programme.
A much broader solution is necessary (I don’t think a Maoist revolution has to necessarily be violent in a non-Fanonian sense), but it requires pinpointing where you can get the most national buy-in.
Aprogressivone
Developers are the new Rockstars
I didn't want to go here but I will chime in since your brought it up. Black men still make more. We know women are underpaid across the board though. I don't want to make certain degrees gender specific, but if more black women went into hard sciences, I think this number would be different. I'm super pro college for black men though. It set me on a path that literally changed my life financially, emotionally, and culturally.
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A year ago I was in downtown DC and ran into a Howard graduation. It looked like a women's college. You consciously had to look for brehs wearing a cap and gown.
Ehh can't read entirely too much into that. As a relatively recent grad, a lot of the girls are extra about walking around DC in their cap and gown on graduation weekend.
I went to Howard and this is allSome things you said about Howard have truth but, the rest is vindictive and it makes you sound biased. When I went to Howard, my best friend went to Georgetown across town. I spent every other Fri/Sat night at Georgetown with my boy spending the other weekends at Howard. Outside of a few examples, I never felt that our buildings were old/smelly/run down. If anything, I was less impressed by Georgetown as it's considered the best school in DC and to me it felt small. I've also visited alot of other colleges throughout the East Coast. Howard's facilities are far from trash. As far as your other points, there are several companies that only recruit from top colleges but, will come to Howard. For example, I was raised in Delaware. The major university here is the University of Delaware. Google and Goldman Sachs are not coming to the University of Delaware for recruiting events. They're just not but, they are coming to Howard. It's on you as a student to make the most of those opportunities and most of the people that I was friends with at HU did. I have two friends at Google, one at JP Morgan, one at Goldman, one at Moody's. It's anecdotal but, that's my circle.
The only thing I agree with you on is the tuition and the administration. The administration sucks ass, no argument. But for the former?......I personally was on scholarship so it made little difference to me. I only agree because even though Howard is full of privileged students from high-income households, there were probably alot of poor kids there taking out loans who probably should've gone to a cheaper school. In short, if your parents can pay or if you have a scholarship/great FA package, Howard can open doors for you that only a top 40 school can. It punches well above its weight. But if you're not well off or will have to take out a bunch of loans, then go to your local in-state school.
I don't agree with your comments about white people not respecting the degree....sounds like self-hate.
As a relatively recent alum I co-sign most of what you said. And the facilities have gotten way better over the last 10 years. The types of white folks who would look down on you off the rip for having a degree from Howard with top honors in a valuable major would look down on you if you went to Georgetown. They would think you're a DEI/Affirmative Action graduate.
Also, it would be interesting to see a gender breakdown at Howard in the freshman vs graduating classes. A lot of brehs go to Howard freshman year and either drop out because they can't keep up academically or transfer because they don't fit in or they couldn't get additional scholarships and financial aid to afford it. And a good number of brehs lose their scholarships and financial aid by not keeping up their GPAs, getting caught up in the social aspect of being at Howard. The school needs to do a better job of retaining brehs all four years.
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I know you didn’t ask me, but this is an easy question to answer: the gender-wage gap. All groups of men make more than their female counterparts—because women are paid less even when having the same credentials. Generally, women make about 80 to 85 cents for every dollar a man makes.
What makes the black man/woman dynamic highly intriguing is that in terms of economic parity, the wage-gap between black men and black women is the least of any major demographic (e.g., whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos).
I’m glad you posed this question, though. It just spurred a research idea.
thelonious21
I like my women tall
I mean.. I knew one of yall would label me that..
What song we got out now that is advocating for the young black man to get higher learning. Or any thing about HBCU's?
Legit.. serious questions I'm asking
Again, we're not really on the same page.
Let's say you get whatever Senator, whatever Party, to add a WPA style bill. (Remember the Green New Deal)
Who's gonna jump at whatever jobs they come up with?
Is it going to be the young black men that are ALREADY not interested in Trade School, College, or the Military?
Are we ACTUALLY trying to solve the problem, or just engaging in a war of attrition?
I don't have the faith in electoral politics or the social services industrial complex that you have.
