Black men attendance of HBCU declining

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Leading with kindness probably would help you're right.
And it's not just leading with kindness, it's just understanding what is the problem. For example:

If you have a fence and a white man keeps knocking it over, you can blame yourself and claim it is because you didn't do this or that ut it doesn't change the fact that the white man is the one who keeps knocking it over. Understanding the why and how of how he keeps knocking over your fence is more important than any introspection since any effort to stop him requires you knowing and understanding it was him and how he did it. That difference is in how we speak on these things.
 

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You dont know what Im doing. :krs:

Im going to bring up what an elder said about the Million Man March:

“Ben Jealous (head of NAACP) and Farakhan got us all out there, sold papers and pies, made all that money and had no next step in mind.”

Just say youre upset that I found the march to be useless because it wasnt built to follow up on anything. I dont CARE of that bothers you.

I bring up a William Julius Wilson who in 1987 wrote that we would be where we are at now. He wrote the root causes. I co-sign his work. Go bytch to him about his findings I agree with. Im sorry that it makes you unhappy.

Im glad I could put my son in an Africentric school. I hate that there are damn near non existent now. I hate that I cant have conversations with Black men because way too many of you are so much into your “we are being picked on” feelings than looking at the reasons of why we are here.

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Holy shyt you're stupid. Of course it was useless. I don't care that you found out it was useless. Good for you. You want a cookie? I'd be the first one to tell you that and literally agreed with that. You're so emotional you're not making any sense. :mjlol:

You actually put what I wrote alongside some dummy bringing up drill rap. I dont give a fukk about dumb ass symptoms. I speak and examine root causes, and you arent built for that

We understand as a whole the root causes. You were upset that there were no solutions provided at the million man march and here, instead of actionable solutions, you want to do more talking. Make it make sense y'all. :skip:
 

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For example, this a post I made some time ago. I don't know who is reading this but I doubt any opps can destroy all of it. It is too much.


Once one understands how the system is designed against them, then they can make plans to disrupt it. Understanding there is a system however, means that we have to marshal information such as the above and use it to help our own.
Priorities, goals and community.

To be honest, we don't care. Just getting by is more than enough for most.
 

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We understand as a whole the root causes. You were upset that there were no solutions provided at the million man march and here, instead of actionable solutions, you want to do more talking. Make it make sense y'all. :skip:

I dont think we understand the root causes. You decided to turn my look at the causes into a “drill rap”conservation I never had. :krs:

The problem I am encountering in trying to find solutions is that the pace by which they are creating barriers is outpacing whatever solution we can come up with.

Its frustrating as fukk and Im admittedly at my wits end about it
 

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Congrats. That means you will have no reason to quote me moving forward
So you don't actually care to be productive, then, huh?

These threads are not an invitation to bless us with your "loquaciousness." :comeon:Nobody cares what you did or read last century. Stfu and let the men with actionable solutions talk it out.
 

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Student Loan Debt by Race​


  • Black and African American college graduates owe an average of $25,000 more in student loan debt than white college graduates.
  • Four years after graduation, black students owe an average of 188% more than white students borrowed.
  • Black and African American student borrowers are the most likely to struggle financially due to student loan debt making monthly payments of $260.
 

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I dont think we understand the root causes. You decided to turn my look at the causes into a “drill rap”conservation I never had. :krs:

The problem I am encountering in trying to find solutions is that the pace by which they are creating barriers is outpacing whatever solution we can come up with.

Its frustrating as fukk and Im admittedly at my wits end about it

I'm blaming drill rap now? Oh boy. You missed that mark hard.:heh:

How we talk about root causes is important.

Priorities, goals and community.

To be honest, we don't care. Just getting by is more than enough for most.
This is really important. I used to loathe my mother for literally creating a 10 point education plan for me as a kid but realized how important it was later on when I did the same for my own siblings. I tweaked it here and there to match their personalities and it has worked out well. I couldn't have done that without information though and I feel that is part of what is missing. The desire is there but the lack of know-how and connections to those that do is not there.
 

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A lil anecdote that’s telling: In the workplace ‘diversity and inclusion’ has replaced affirmative action. AA was about black men first, black women second. With DI, it refers to the new minorities which is women first—-all races—-and then “people of color”. Black men have gone from 1st in the pecking order to technically unlisted.

And there is a bigger context at play here. The erasure of masculinity and especially black men is real. From black women being the face of activism, to BW lapping BM college rates, to Hollywood.

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I'm blaming drill rap now?
I didn’t say you were. But you put my quote alongside of buffoon who did.
This is really important. I used to loathe my mother for literally creating a 10 point education plan for me as a kid but realized how important it was later on when I did the same for my own siblings. I tweaked it here and there to match their personalities and it has worked out well. I couldn't have done that without information though and I feel that is part of what is missing. The desire is there but the lack of know-how and connections to those that do is not there.

Bruh…Im at my wits end on trying to solve this. Im overwhelmed and admittedly so.
 

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Student Loan Debt by Race​


  • Black and African American college graduates owe an average of $25,000 more in student loan debt than white college graduates.
  • Four years after graduation, black students owe an average of 188% more than white students borrowed.
  • Black and African American student borrowers are the most likely to struggle financially due to student loan debt making monthly payments of $260.

There's A LOT of bread out there scholarship wise that many of us don't take advantage of and because they are private they don't have to adhere to DEI cope cacs are using.

We also need to start setting up and funding our kids 529s. They aren't federal tax deductible, but they are state tax deductible. I know in GA and other states that lottery revenue funded tuition for kids with good grades in high school can also help offset the cost.

When you don't know better, it's hard to do better. But in this day and age, there's no excuse for not knowing better anymore. We have to do a better job.
 

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You're right. I can't stand no whining man. :hhh:

This might be a long post. Also, it has been a long time since I was in school so some of the stuff mentioned later on may have changed. I feel weird putting this out there since it feels like I'm giving away free game but I feel like enough people know this so it isn't a major issue.

You have to get more black males into STEM fields and much of that is making sure they have some framework and guidance that recognizes the issues they face. As with the Yale study and other studies I've posted on this site before, black males face serious issues in regards to how teachers, including black teachers, treat them. Either homeschooling or additional tutoring with a focus on making sure these children aren't being targeted and if so, a means of dealing with that issue.

Much of what I mentioned above is in general and for kids at the K-12 grade level. Getting kids into college is part of this and dealing with the above gets them into college. You also have to provide all the different paths a child can take into college. Taking AP courses to shorten their time in college. Checking to see if their AP exam costs can be decreased due to low income status (mine were due to this - if they qualify for low income lunch meals, they can qualify for this as well). Knowing which exams you intend to take in concert with which classes you intend to take in college and how is important as well. Consider that colleges consider which credits they will accept or how they are accepted sometimes based on your major. Med schools often regard your GPA from your science classes separately from your total GPA in addition to your MCAT score. Colleges regard which outside credits (community college (often easier) and so on) based on your major. So if you take a non-science major, take non-science AP exams (you can and should take the AP science courses in high school when offered) and credits, and take your science classes in community college while taking your main non-science (often easier) classes in the main college of your choice (so, imagine it to be a major, respected college), one can come out with a decent GPA in all categories. Add in programs like JAMP, which provide a pipeline into med school, that makes it easier. Add programs like Princeton Review that allow one to prepare for the MCAT, then one has a chance of really nailing it. I can also add that knowing about winter semesters and weekend courses for unimportant class credits offered by community colleges allows one to further reduce the amount of time they spend in college and makes it easier to take classes one is truly interested in. This is one path that plays on the fact that many med schools want someone with a well rounded background and thus love themselves people with odd majors (history, theology, philosophy) applying to med school. And if one really wants a science major (in case you decide to skip out on med school, get a masters first, something to fall back on), then remixing the plan can still work out well, though it is a little harder. There are also 6 year programs which allow one to merge the college/med school experience together.
The problem is that many children are not aware of this as well as the parents. Hell, not all counselors and even teachers are aware of this as well. We need to do a better job in helping our people understand the system better. Which leads me to the next part.

There needs to be career guidance as well. We need to abandon this idea of getting out of the mud or not providing help or guidance where we can in regards to black males. I never see anyone fail to help a black female but trust and believe that energy is never there for black males. That has to stop. Some kids (and parents) don't know what is required of kids to attend medical school also so there has to be something set-up to connect black doctors with students as a means of merely providing background or advice in regards to this. While it makes sense to ask those on the committees for med schools on what is needed, they will rarely ever tell you the shortcuts so you're better off getting that info from med students or even more so, residents. There also has to be a strong emphasis on positive reinforcement. When I used to mentor kids, I made sure to highlight their strong points and encourage their weaker points. Many kids want to learn, want to be better, and we are doing a disservice to them treating them terribly. We need to do better in that regards.

When we wonder how other groups accomplish such generational leaps, we often skip over the communal nature of the come up. Nobody does it alone. We need existing male-run orgs to step in here. Individual mentorship is a fool's errand, we need pipelines. We need weekend classes and educational activities. We need to pool assets and opportunities. The thing must be well-funded, to make up for familial shortfalls.

We need to stop talking and do the work. I was in a program that covered most of the highlighted. The black boys there were non- ADOS, and this was 30 yrs ago.
 

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Bruh…Im at my wits end on trying to solve this. Im overwhelmed and admittedly so.

I will say this: I do think that we as a people need to break down our problems into smaller ones and solve those. We keep tying to apply magic bullets. For example:
If the problem is black boys not getting diplomas (graduating high school or college), then we push for alternate education routes for them that will still let them get higher education (GED, home-school, home-school networks), but a kid can get a diploma and not know anything, we've all heard these stories here and there so we need to provide an education (home-school, home-school networks, subtle race-based tutoring (majority of the people there being black and being controlled by black people)). If the issue is the kid getting in trouble, we push for switching teachers, if that is not enough we push for home-schooling. All of this we need to provide networks, message boards, and so on to provide discussion for this and information about this.
During all of this, we also have to instill in kids the idea of sacrifice. They have to understand that to do well, to "hustle" even is to delay gratification or at least to plan for work along side such. This is not a perfect solution but I think it is a step in the right direction.
Above all, we have to understand that the white man will not create solutions for the problem he created and that is the source of all we do.
 
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