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mc_brew

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The crazy thing with all these federal trial delays for Trump is if he wins in November but is convicted sometime before inauguration in 2025. I wonder what happens then? Surely Trump would try to pardon himself
biden would probably pardon trump in that scenario on some "unify the nation" nonsense....
 

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creh got time to look up everything online but as soon as it’s something that goes against his narrative all of a sudden it’s time to pretend like he doesn’t know how to use the internet
 

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The crazy thing with all these federal trial delays for Trump is if he wins in November but is convicted sometime before inauguration in 2025. I wonder what happens then? Surely Trump would try to pardon himself
Trump wouldn't need to pardon himself. He would just appoint an AG and direct that AG to shut down and withdraw from the federal cases.

Fani Willis would try to keep the Georgia case going, but the Supreme Court would likely shut it down saying a sitting President cannot go through prosecution.
 

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What are the most progressive policies you speak of?

Are you talking about the LGBT executive orders?

The student loans he knew Republicans were going to block?

Has he gotten Congress to increase minimum wage or hold corporations accountable?

What about women's health and abortion?

He's the most "progressive" modern president in theory but in reality he's not. It's just propaganda
Biden has been the most pro Labor president in decades.

He has an FTC and DOJ actually enforcing some modicum of anti-trust using the laws on the books.

The government is practicing industrial policy for the first time since Carter.

And the bar was low but his Education Dept is implementing the laws on hand for student debt forgiveness through the existing authorities and programs. PSLF was impossible to get your loans forgiven until Biden even though the program started during Bush’s 2nd term. Yes, the Hero’s Act was a fumble for the mass forgiveness but they are trying to be creative with the HEA. If they lose the election, that stops immediately…

So on these issues, he has been good. And even surpassed expectations.
 

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I'm pretty sure you can hate both Hamas and how Biden has allowed thousands of people to be slaughtered by providing the weapons and propaganda to carry it out.
biden couldnt have actually stopped israel from retaliating, after Hamas parachuted into israel and killed a thousand people. your expectations are childish
 

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Trump wouldn't need to pardon himself. He would just appoint an AG and direct that AG to shut down and withdraw from the federal cases.

Fani Willis would try to keep the Georgia case going, but the Supreme Court would likely shut it down saying a sitting President cannot go through prosecution.
Can they withdraw a conviction though?
 

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biden couldnt have actually stopped israel from retaliating, after Hamas parachuted into israel and killed a thousand people. your expectations are childish
Retaliation is one thing. Systemic ethnic cleansing and providing the weapons and cover to do it is another. If Biden loses Michigan because Muslims stay home it's his own fault. You're a clown who pigeon holes points and argues in bad faith. No one's calling Israel out for retaliation against Hamas. It's the bombing of the refugee camps, hospitals, and evacuation areas that have killed thousands. Also while Israel publicly calls for the extermination of a people while it's own citizens steal people's lands and homes. You're no different than a Nazi sympathizer.
 

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Retaliation is one thing. Systemic ethnic cleansing and providing the weapons and cover to do it is another. If Biden loses Michigan because Muslims stay home it's his own fault
then the media would have crucified him as soft on terror and a betrayer of our allies. He would have lost never trumpers, some independents and pro Israel democrats
 

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Retaliation is one thing. Systemic ethnic cleansing and providing the weapons and cover to do it is another. If Biden loses Michigan because Muslims stay home it's his own fault
then the media would have crucified him as soft on terror and a betrayer of our allies. He would have lost never trumpers, some independents and pro Israel democrats
there is plenty of middle ground on the response though. "supporting allies" is never a yes/no question - israel is going to retaliate because they had to. zero timetables, conditions on support, review of the failures within IDF that let it happen, along with objectively horrible kill-em-alls from israeli gov reps, etc should've been deliberately addressed instead of essentially cheering it on with the dead babies moments and actively twisting the UN security council's purpose against itself

at the end of the day, biden's admin was well aware of how this would impact their base and they knew it immediately when long-time administrators quit citing causes anyone could see. hell, the main reason they're easing back now isn't because of a battlefield situation changing but because of battleground states. at the same time, the fact there's no legitimate photo ops of us forces and idf hand in hand speaks volumes too.

when people get reductive about it all... you really can't even size this up though.
 

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then the media would have crucified him as soft on terror and a betrayer of our allies. He would have lost never trumpers, some independents and pro Israel democrats
Pleasing a small minority of your constitutes is some crazy shyt, most pro Israel voters are Republicans. Biden could have taken a different approach, completely different approach he decided to put his pawn on the board and enter the war with Israel
 

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Can they withdraw a conviction though?
They could appeal to the Supreme Court and say the case cannot move forward because he's the President. The Supreme Court would agree and say that any sentencing would have to be enforced after he leaves office.

So then you would have Trump trying to stay in office to avoid possibly being sentenced to jail or home confinement.
 

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Since we're talking polling. American sentiment on immigration hasn't shifted much.

It's just that Americans want don't want increased immigration levels.


No one wants open borders. Just like folks don't like open air drug markets and mass homelessness in the streets.

Leftist proposals gonna have to address that reality politically outside of just making "moral" arguments about why folks should just give it more time or their anecdotal experiences don't matter.
Build The Wall :ohhh:
 

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Build The Wall :ohhh:
more light trolling.

You can’t deny the fact that we need increased funding for border patrol agents, more funding for technology based initiatives that prevent illegal border crossings, and the ability to fix the unquestionably broken and inefficient asylum system.

Not addressing those issues does lead to more extreme anti immigration shifts in the general public and subsequently in government.
 
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