How did a white guy create a more realistic portrayal of the hood than any black person in Hollywoo?

[Ghetto Denizen]

The Wire had its "Hollywood" moments. Brother Mouzone stood out the most probably. He was a character you would find in a Tarantino film.

Omar jumping out the window. Well hell maybe a good amount of S5 was pushing it a bit.

The fact that Omar was a real life crackhead just adds to the authenticity of that scene.

 

[Savvir]

Yea but why are 50 cents shows so unrealistic and hes a actual street nikka

he's trying to make money not a documentary

 

[HTXBreh]

The Wire had a real life Drug Kingpin advising the show the phone code from season 1 was his.

 

[Wiseborn]

I thought the whole fake serial killer plot line in season 5 was pushing it too.

That part was apperently made up to prove a point that the police only cares as much as the politicans and the public does about murders.

 

[Wiseborn]

even brother mouzone has roots in an archetype that is based on at least two or three situations where the fruit of islam or splinter groups were implicated in organized crime activity. the thing that makes it unrealistic is for all the most spectacular stuff to happen in one city in a short amount of time between just a few characters. otherwise, there are real elements to even the crazy stuff.

Yes a lot of old school people know of the FOI Brothers shutting down drug markets (before the joos and the Cops put a stop to that) And I know personally of Brothers (and Sisters) from the Nation of Gods and Earths being down to use guns to get the criminal element off the streets only to turn to crime to justify and finance the removal of drug dealers.

 

[dezert_storm]

That part was apperently made up to prove a point that the police only cares as much as the politicans and the public does about murders.

I get the message but I was just talking about how unrealistic it was.

 

[Wiseborn]

I get the message but I was just talking about how unrealistic it was.

I get it and yes that would be unrealistic, The fallout of that shyt would be too enormous to cover up. But Holmes was clicked in heavy with the police so either someone must have considered it or something kinda sorta like that happened.

I mean look at Carcetti/ O'Malley And That city councilwoman/ Shelia Dixon. The show came out before they got exposed and they weren't accused of colluding with drug dealers so maybe before they did the dirt they did maybe they were on the take for dope too but of course he would've been sued into the stone age had he used their real names.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

Yeah the story is based on when Avon "Bodie" Barksdale robbed "Proposition Joe" Johnson and escaped out the window. The real Prop Joe died in that case.

I understand why Avon Barksdale was so mad. Simon didn't even change his damn name he literally read about his life in papers then starting talking about his Tec on the dresser.

The jump scene was based on Donnie Andrews jumping out of the 5th floor of Murphy Homes

 

[Wiseborn]

I get the message but I was just talking about how unrealistic it was.

Let me expound on this point. The show was ridicolously well reaserached to the point of using real people the Real Larry Young/ Clay Davis was on the show and he didn't even let actors Ad Lib.

Something that probably wasn't true but could've happened was the CO-OP. Back in the Nino Brown era all the big Don's had a connect that could've supplied them with all the drugs needed to supply a whole city, That's the reason for all the Drug wars everyone had a connect and fought over terrirtory.

In the show Prop Joe had to beg nikkas to work together and the only reason it kinda worked was because he had plug for the big connect.

Stringer Bell tried to tell Avon that it didn't matter who ran the corners if they had the connect. And as soon as someone went around the connect that was the end of the CO-OP Since George Peleconos was a writer on the Show I thought they stole that from two different CO-OP situations one was called The Committee. That got blown up because one of the dudes got caught and snitched.

the other was dudes allied with the Rayful Edmonds organization or as nikkas on the street called him "Rayfus". Obviously Rayful snitched and there's even the allegory with Avon running shyt from Jail which is what Rayful did too.


One thing they didn't get into is how come getting dope in the country never a problem? You run a violent drug retail organzation no matter hwobig you're eventually going to jail but the dope always gets through. For example they caught the leader of the Gulf Clan not too far from where I am right now. They literally caught a drug load again not too far from where I am headed to Central America. The leadership of a crew goes down but the organization goes on. Even the drought in Balitmore was brought up where the Dominican connect was worried about nikkas snitching so he shorted Avon which made dealing with Prop Joe and his connect necessary.

 

[Wiseborn]

The jump scene was based on Donnie Andrews jumping out of the 5th floor of Murphy Homes

Who knows for sure in the video Legends of the Unwired Avon strongly implied that he rolled up on Prop Joe and he jumped out of the window. He could've lied but that would be strange to lie about. Prop Joe did get killed in a robbery/ drug deal gone bad situation in a high rise apartment.

Could be a composite of both incidents.

 

[ISO]

omar jumping out the window was based on a real story. his character is based on at least 2 robbers and surving a crazy jump is one of the real actions attributed to one of them.

They could have done better with the wardrobe too.

I saw Carmelo MDWAG episode and Melo said the dynamic in Baltimore is that West side dudes are drippy and flashy while East side dudes are more gritty but West side dudes from the bottoms the projects where more like East side dudes despite being on the West side. Harlem has that same dynamic.

But anyway where was the drip nikkas wore they had a bunch of hip hop brands and shyt often times poorly layered. Where was the Ralph, the Maurice Malone, the Foams and shyt nikkas wore? That alone takes away from the realism.

 

[BaRRyG]

The Wire was the most realistic because it showed every type of black person that exists in America today. If The Wire was made today, the name of the show would be “Black People Are Not A Monolith”.

And they also used real lawyers real bmore hitters and cops. They couldn't lose.

 

[Pseudonym]

One of my favorite shows of all time.

The book is good too. The book Homicide as well.

I have it, I dug it out just because of this thread. I’m gonna reread it. I read it before I saw the series.

I’m gonna check out Homicide. Dap + Repz

 

[BaRRyG]

Who knows for sure in the video Legends of the Unwired Avon strongly implied that he rolled up on Prop Joe and he jumped out of the window. He could've lied but that would be strange to lie about. Prop Joe did get killed in a robbery/ drug deal gone bad situation in a high rise apartment.

Could be a composite of both incidents.

shyt a nikka in harlem jumped out the window from the 12th floor landed on his face and got up to run from 12.

 

[Wiseborn]

And they also used real lawyers real bmore hitters and cops. They couldn't lose.

Yep Billy Murphy played himself as Clay Davis's lawyer. He represented Rayful Edmonds in DC