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I have no idea why the Pro-Biden crowd keep trotting out this line about "no plan if Biden is replaced". There are explicit plans that have been put forward by the replace-Biden crowd.

One is that he resigns the Presidency, Kamala takes the mantle, and the delegates unanimously nominate her and a new Vice-President at the convention, same as if Biden kicked the bucket right now.

Another is that Biden refuses the nomination like LBJ and throws his support and pledged delegates to Kamala, she is unanimously nominated at the convention along with her new Vice-President.

A third is that Biden refuses the nomination, and we have an open primary at the convention and whoever is able to get the most delegates becomes the nominee.

None of this is uncharted territory, there have been contested conventions in the past.
Did you watch the video none of those plans are being floated out there. There is still infighting between the delegates. The last contested convention was 1968, and you didn't have republicans planning to sue to keep the winner off the ballot back then either.
 

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At this point, Biden resigns the Presidency to Kamala, making her the 47th and first female president is the only way to do it both legally and politically sufficient.

It's like they are ignoring they had a whole primary process where millions of people didn't take time to vote for the Biden/Harris Ticket. It is unprecedented and politically foolish to install a new nominee without either Biden or Harris on top of the ticket. It will be slap in the face of democracy if they do some other nonsense.

Plus dropping Biden for Harris doesn't make sense politically or electoral map wise cause Harris is not going to do markedly better than Biden in those swing states that will decide the election.

This democratic bedwetting is just unbelievable, all because they are terrified of a second Trump presidency.Trump has a ceiling, Independents don't like him and Suburban White women don't, he will crash out in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan for sure because of this. North Carolina is in play for the democrats. Georgia and Arizona may still be too.

Polls mean nothing in July and frankly means nothing overall, they are not scientific, really they learned nothing from 2016.

What they are doing is just weakening themselves for November. It's just astonishing how foolish this whole thing is with the democrats.

Democrats need to stop bedwetting, congressmen and women need to roll up their sleeves hit the ground campaigning, run ads 24/7 in all swing states replaying the lowlights of the first Trump Presidency, the Dobbs and Chevron decisions with the corruption and unruly conservative Supreme Court as well as just the GOP's hypocrisy over the past two decades (including how they tanked a bipartisan immigration bill only to help the Trump campaign in 2024) .

You need to remind the people how terrible Trump and the Republicans are.
The polls mean nothing because they don’t capture how many people hate Trump and will vote against him

The only replacement is Kamala but she will not be able to pull the moderate Republican and old white independent. Biden is the only dem those voters feel comfortable with and they are the path to victory
 

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AOC and Bernie are getting progressive legislation pushed by Biden. That’s why they are backing him.

-rent control
-Supreme Court reform
-medically debt relief

Are all things Biden has recently endorsed or been rumored to endorse.

And if there really is no succession plan it makes even more sense to not burn that bridge with Biden. Their seats are probably safe as well.
 

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AOC and Bernie are getting progressive legislation pushed by Biden. That’s why they are backing him.

-rent control
-Supreme Court reform
-medically debt relief

Are all things Biden has recently endorsed or been rumored to endorse.

And if there really is no succession plan it makes even more sense to not burn that bridge with Biden. Their seats are probably safe as well.
It doesn’t make sense for any dem to burn a bridge with Biden
 

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Literally none of those things are happening
Yeah cause the Dems are fitting to lose to Trump with all this bullshyt.

I can't quote your last post, but those names you named. There is no guarantee they want to run for VP behind Kamala with 8 weeks to voting starting.
 

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The republicans cheat often, why wouldn't they cheat on this? They just need to stall past the election day. Even if Ohio is firmly red, the PR aspect of a democrat not being on the ballot because of this bullshyt is priceless.
It's like people forget how spiteful the R's are. They have no issues with tying this up in the courts and letting the supreme court decide who the president is
 

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It's like people forget how spiteful the R's are. They have no issues with tying this up in the courts and letting the supreme court decide who the president is
They’ve literally done that before in 2000 and then had the white house for 8 years.

shyt if Biden was to step down you assume all parties would have lawyers on deck, to make this shir work, but Pelosi and Schumer want him to drop over the weekend. That’s what I mean, its like blood in the water, and no one is saying lets have a plan for what is next before we remove the president from the ticket.
 

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AOC shyt on all the dummies without a plan last night... it was beautiful to watch and she has millions of followers that saw it. That's why I like her. She uses her platform in the best ways possible and she never gives standard political answers..

the plan is to keep kamala from ever becoming president and that includes accepting a trump presidency if they need to make that happen.
 
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AOC and Bernie are getting progressive legislation pushed by Biden. That’s why they are backing him.

-rent control
-Supreme Court reform
-medically debt relief

Are all things Biden has recently endorsed or been rumored to endorse.

And if there really is no succession plan it makes even more sense to not burn that bridge with Biden. Their seats are probably safe as well.

And also... why wouldn't they quickly endorse him? An intelligent politician is going to endorse the person who is on the ticket and IF that person stands down for whatever reason, then they can always endorse someone else later on...

All of this "backroom conversation but let's leak it out..." strategy is HURTING the Dems more than anything else... IF the Democrats lose this election, you can thank Chuck, Nancy and the rest of them.
 

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She actually knows whats going on and is saying “I haven't seen a succession plan”, “anyone with real presidential aspirations wont get on a ticket when votes start in 8 weeks”, “they don't want to just drop Biden, but Harris” and “there isn't a poll that shows anyone winning with a safe majority”.

But Mayo Garden Snake says



Like this isn’t a pissing into the wind strategy based on him assuming the idiots on congress have a plan. Pelosi to busy trying to be that bytch from GOT who killed Joffrey to realize all they’ve done is made a bad situation worse.
Yeap. It's telling that the progressive side and the bedrock voters of the party are pushing for Biden and actually being sensible right now. But the elitist wing is trying to install their candidate into the nomination with this slow drip feed with no data being put forward.
 

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Did you watch the video none of those plans are being floated out there. There is still infighting between the delegates. The last contested convention was 1968, and you didn't have republicans planning to sue to keep the winner off the ballot back then either.
Which video, AOC's livestream?

Of course there's still infighting, Biden hasn't even stepped down yet so no one knows what's going to happen. Biden needs to provide leadership and clarity by stepping down, then the path forward will materialize. Until then it will be a steady drumbeat of chaos. This is why Pelosi and Schumer and Obama are upping the pressure, he needs to remove himself from the equation ASAP.

It's been a while since a contested convention but that doesn't negate the fact that there is precedent. The lawsuit threats are coming from the Republicans as a way to keep Biden on the ballot, they're bullshyt.
 

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AOC and Bernie are getting progressive legislation pushed by Biden. That’s why they are backing him.

-rent control
-Supreme Court reform
-medically debt relief

Are all things Biden has recently endorsed or been rumored to endorse.

And if there really is no succession plan it makes even more sense to not burn that bridge with Biden. Their seats are probably safe as well.
He already did the Green New Deal infrastructure plan and other stuff too.

Dems trippin tryna push him out
 
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