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Where is the lie? What do you disagree with?
 

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Trump's labor record should bury him in this state. What he said at his last rally should be the extra dirt on top. That speech was a disaster. Attacking Shawn Fain, Gov. Whitmer, the UAW, and unions was a stupid choice.
Macomb won’t go down without a fight but my Wayne county nikkas bout to show out again :salute:
 

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Last election is last election tho, if Biden was in the same situation as in 2020 none of this would be happening. Biden has already lost a lot of support from young and black voters since then, especially due to Gaza. Had he stayed on the ballot the black and young vote definitely would've been depressed.

There are people in this thread who wouldn't vote for Biden (due to Gaza) but will vote for Harris. I was only going to vote for Biden myself due to being in a swing state.

Kamala might be able to get back some of that support :manny: we'll see but she has room to grow
The black vote is trump, those who deflected to trump aren’t voting for kamala. And Kamala did terribly with the youth in her primary so I’ll wait and see how she supposedly activates the youth - and no, bringing sexy red to the White House ain’t it. Lastly, the no Biden because Gaza isn’t a sizable movement, despite it being popular here.
 

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Surprised and very pleased at all the support Kamala is getting.

Dems get on code and focused quick she can win it…..I hope….:sadcam:

Pretty much everything coming out of her mouth the next couple months needs to be about abortion or Project 2025. :wow:

She also needs to destroy Trump in the debate and avenge Biden.

The black vote is trump, those who deflected to trump aren’t voting for kamala. And Kamala did terribly with the youth in her primary so I’ll wait and see how she supposedly activates the youth - and no, bringing sexy red to the White House ain’t it. Lastly, the no Biden because Gaza isn’t a sizable movement, despite it being popular here.

The idea that the Gaza situation doesn't matter just isn't true. It's just not.

When you have tens of thousands of college kids (who normally vote heavily Democratic) protesting this (and more protests planned at the DNC) and constant pictures floating around the Internet of kids being massacred, it's a problem. Hell, the Arab population in Michigan is bigger than the margin Biden won that state by. Kamala getting some of those voters back could easily make the difference.

The 2020 primary is neither here nor there, Bernie was getting most of youth vote since he was on the ballot. It's about whether Kamala can pick up more voters who were going to stay home or protest vote because they didn't like Trump or Biden


He likely will now because he's leaving. He'll wait until January.

The only reason he wasn't doing it was because it would have been politically costly to pardon his son while running for re-election.

Why would he do that? It would only serve to make the Democrats look bad.


nikkas already talking about Gaza. :mjlol:

You may not care personally :yeshrug: but supporting an ongoing genocide is and was very unpopular amongst the Democratic base and was depressing Biden's support.

Whether or not Kamala is going to be any different is certainly a worthwhile topic
 

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Where is the lie? What do you disagree with?
The idea that Kamala's black/indian identity is guaranteed to make white voters choose Trump over her is devoid of the specific context that this race could be waged within, given a competent campaign from the Harris team. As someone else pointed out, there was another black mixed race candidate a little while ago who was able to garner enough support from these white voters to win the election, and had an even steeper hill to climb (funny name, non-white spouse and family, representing one of the blackest cities in America, radical pastor, etc). Obama was a good politician, but he wasn't THAT generational a talent, he was more a product of the context within which his race was ran (one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time dragging his party's nominee down, mass financial unrest). Running against the most polarizing candidate of all time, Kamala, her white bread VP, and the Democratic bench coming out in full force can do it again.

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