The removal of "under god" from the pledge is being debated in Massachusetts supreme court!

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Saying under god does not speak on any specific religion.

This is so fukking stupid, I won't respond to it.

Atheism is not a religion so freedom of religion does not apply.

Bruh. What the fukk???????

This isn't about atheists. This is about ALL people.

I'm pretty sure Hindus and Muslims ain't cool with their gods not being given the same respect as the christians get in the USA.

Either governments support all religions or they support NONE of them.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Saying under god does not speak on any specific religion.
Atheism is not a religion so freedom of religion does not apply.

your ok with force-feeding "god" in whats supposed to be a patriotic pledge because it doesn't offend you. the bottom line is it was not in the the original pledge, it was added by religious crusaders.

There are upstanding americans that don't believe in god and they or nor their children should have to choose between participating in a patriotic exercise and not undermining their own beliefs.

 

[ChiefQueen]

Idk, much about the pledge since I'm Canadian and I used to recite the 'O Canada' national anthem all throughout elementary till high school. But, I will say I'm glad that this family wants to shake things up. I mean, the God that they're referencing in the pledge is the Christian God. And, not everyone is Christian. So, I say take that shyt out.

Btw, I've noticed it's always these busybodies from Boston making headlines. I swear, that whole city is a problem. Especially, ever since that 'Boston strong' bull shyt. FOH!

 

[blackslash]

Its not an antonym. its not even the opposite word.

its a different train of thought and concept altogether.

Nihilism is the realization that there is no inherent meaning in anything.

Apathy is the lack of investment in anything.

Theres a big difference.

Its the difference between playing a game that you know doesn't mean anything and sitting by while others play the game.



Human rights are created. They don't innately exist. Just because you've come to expect certain behaviors doesn't mean that those behaviors out of fellow citizens are innate and immutable.

They're not.

That doesn't conflict with nihilism.

Nihilism ultimately says that yeah, that woman got raped. thats the action that occured. Now apathetic people wouldn't care.

Nihilists realize that caring OR not caring doesn't matter...but choosing to care doesn't mean you're less of a nihilist.



Knowledge of an illusion is not an illusion dumbass.


Are you seriously perpetuating an ad hominem (attacking the person, not the argument) then stepping back like you have a valid argument?

This is about the constitutionality of a law...not whether or not nihilists can have a view on law itself.

Thats like saying atheists can't criticize religious people.




What does me finding an ultimate lack of validity in any world view have to do with the fact that this law is, if held to its own standards, unconstitutional?


Its embarrassing how little you truly know.


Life doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

Its pointless.

Devoid.

Empty.

Vast. Uncaring. Cold. Dark. Empty.

It doesn't give a flying fukk about you and nothing you think ultimately matters.
You happy?

But since i'm here, I want XYZ laws and rules in place.

You mad?

Get mad.

I don't GIVE a single-flying-fukk.

At least I'm not sitting here pretending like morals are some innate bullshyt handed down by "jezus" and not the result of humanity's trial and error to IMPROVE the collective wellbeing of all members of its society so that the society as a whole can provide for greater progression and fulfillment of whatever aims it may have.



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All that homotion

My references to your supposed worldview are only made as it relates to the discussion

You reference the constitution as the source of your argument but as I already stated in an earlier post

The statement found in the DOI is one that gives strength to the Constitution

The Constitution's purpose is the preservation of these endowed qualities from the Creator...you can be indifferent to that but thats simply the case whether u like it or not
The whole moral scope of the constitution is an appeal to divinity and its relationship to us..so technically all the laws are "theologically" driven and thats because it assumes the things and aspects your worldview denies

The engine behind the constitution is the belief in an innate worth and intrinsic "unalienable rights" in every man and that it is to be preserved by the power of the government.

But here you are trying to deny these foundations while at the same time using it as an argument to get people on your side of the fence

Does not make any sense in the slightest

 

[Will Ross]

your ok with force-feeding "god" in whats supposed to be a patriotic pledge because it doesn't offend you. the bottom line is it was not in the the original pledge, it was added by religious crusaders.

There are upstanding americans that don't believe in god and they or nor their children should have to choose between participating in a patriotic exercise and not undermining their own beliefs.

It all comes down to what means more to you your belief system or saying the pledge.

 

[SemiEnlightenedBum]

one of the most honest things this govt's ever done

might as well be truthful cause very little this country's ever done has been under the auspice of G-d as most "religious" people understand it,or has it

things that make you go hmm

 

[Ain't That Something]

Another thread where the coli so called smartest man @Napoleon gets bodied.

Signs that Napoleon is losing a debate includes but not limited to Giant Fonts and red lettering

 

[Quarterback]

get rid of the pledge

This. fukk that cac obedience bullshyt. If any of us are gonna pledge allegiance to anything it should be to our Black or Hispanic communities. Cacs could go fukk themselves.

might as well be truthful cause very little this country's ever done has been under the auspice of G-d

WTF is G-d? Does "o" not work on your keyboard? Did you mean GOD? Are you too scared to write out the word GOD?

 

[SemiEnlightenedBum]

This. fukk that cac obedience bullshyt. If any of us are gonna pledge allegiance to anything it should be to our Black or Hispanic communities. Cacs could go fukk themselves.

WTF is G-d? Does "o" not work on your keyboard? Did you mean GOD? Are you too scared to write out the word GOD?

looks at s/n

bother, why do i

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It sounds like you have a long list of moral outrages to address after the pledge is addressed, friend.

and by the way, genius, the first line of the wiki article on Article 11 is accurate in stating that:

Source of your article?

All that homotion

My references to your supposed worldview are only made as it relates to the discussion

Ad hominem.

This is about the constitution. Not whether or not you agree that there is no point to living life or not.

You reference the constitution as the source of your argument but as I already stated in an earlier post



The engine behind the constitution is the belief in an innate worth and intrinsic "unalienable rights"

Those rights are things people made up. The same laws that people create arbitrarily. There are no innate rights. We create them and then label them as such.

in every man and that it is to be preserved by the power of the government.

...which are things we create.

But here you are trying to deny these foundations while at the same time using it as an argument to get people on your side of the fence

Those foundations aren't even present or reinforced by religious concepts as the founders intended for there to be a SECULAR government.

I bet you all don't even know that religion was on a MASSIVE decline right after the civil war AND WWI.

But again...this isn't about "divinity"...its about constitutionality of a law...and you talking about nihilism is a RED HERRING AND AD HOMINEM.

NONE OF THIS RELATES TO THE MOTHER-fukkING-POINT.

Does not make any sense in the slightest

makes plenty of sense. My view on the meaning of life doesn't mean that citizens within a country can make laws that DO NOT COMPORT with the higher law of a nation.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It all comes down to what means more to you your belief system or saying the pledge.

Bruh.

This doesn't make any sense.

neither a belief system or a pledge is important to me.

Its about how the law is interpreted.

The law is ALL we have in this nation so its taken seriously.

Playing fast and loose with the language of the law weakens the integrity of the very rules we claim to enforce upon ourselves.

 

[Shogun]

Source of your article?

Frank Lambert (2006). The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America. Princeton University Press. p. 11. ISBN 978-0-691-12602-9.

Fea, John (2011). Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?: An Historical Introduction. Westminster John Knox Press. pp. 143–145

 

[FreshFromATL]

On average secular countries seem to be happier than religious countries, friend.

You didn't answer the question. Name ONE Godless nation you'd rather live in?

 

[FreshFromATL]

@Napoleon this dude is brain washed.. give up. there's NO helping him. he lost.

Who's to say YOUR'RE not brainwashed with your beliefs ? How did you even come to your beliefs? Through private study, family, watching others, science?

 

[blackslash]

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