As a muslim I agree with religion being separated from state
The removal of "under god" from the pledge is being debated in Massachusetts supreme court!
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And women "killing" their babies doesn't affect your life in one way, either
cant disagree with this
Who's to say YOUR'RE not brainwashed with your beliefs? How did you even come to your beliefs? Through private study, family, watching others, science?
What beliefs? I lack belief in religion figures and their teachings. I'm not the one asserting anything regarding religion to be true or false.
I simply do not know.
Dude your the one trying to make the law fit your ideas.
But you call a Relgious person brainwashed. How can you say they are if you don't know what they are being taught is false
luvaznpoon
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They may as well take it out of the pledge and stop with the blasphemy. I'm sure if/when God or Christ or whomever returns, they won't be too pleased with a country that has done as much dirt as the US claiming #TeamChristianity.
All that homotion
So lemme get this skraight
You are here trying to argue for the integrity of a law which purpose is to preserve the innate rights and worth of man in which u dont believe in
The religious concepts of innate human rights which fuels are justice system and is what we base our decisions on who and how individuals get denied their rights based on their actions on these concepts
But this brings up another issue
The issue of "personhood"
The focal point for the most part on how we decide to deal with these bills congress attempts to pass
Because of the lack of foundation which stems from your worldview we can consider "personhood" anything and strip away the "personhood" from anyone(ex: babies in the womb)
I say this to say..that in light of your nihilistic worldview that the constitution still has many many problems and flaws and the laws in the land too many contradictions
If we deny the reality of our innate rights
The religious concepts of "innate rights" are essential to our laws and justice system because without them they fail and become nothing more than a law that can be construed to become anything because of the undefinable terms and aspects included in the constitution
Which destroys the power of our justice system
And pretty much everything crumbles
The goalposts will continue to move and move till all is permissible in the land
But ayyye
Morals are not real ,correct Mr. Nihilist?
I best not see any "waaah waaah the coli has too many pro black but anti gay ppl on here" threads from u
All that homotion
So lemme get this skraight
You are here trying to argue for the integrity of a law which purpose is to preserve the innate rights and worth of man in which u dont believe in
Innate rights of man don't exist.
WE CREATE THEM.
Its not whether or not I believe in them. Its that we came to an agreement about things we want to uphold, not that these things are innately manifested.
they're NOT religious concepts or limited to individuals with religion.
they don't fuel the justice system dumb ass. Collective attitudes towards utilitarianism and left-over English Black Law define most of our laws. Nothing "divine" or "religious" inspires that. Its the work and revision of groups of people improving and making changes to previous systems.
Thats what laws do.
one of which i'm sure you'll misquote and misrepresent.
Nihilism is simply the notion that nothing means anything.
Existentialism is the fact that BECAUSE nothing means anything, lets make some meaning to pass the time essentially.
Personhood is a concept PEOPLE MAKE UP as an arbitrary startline to the initation of law.
...and please remind me what the fukk this has to do with including "god" in the official pledge of allegiance?
An ad hominem is what happens when you try to talk about the source of the person making the argument, rather than the arguments' validity within itself.
Stop trying to steer this conversation towards a topic you aren't even capable of discussing.
THEY ARE NOT RELIGIOUS CONCEPTS!!!
THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT.
Laws work because people decide to hold themselves to that law.
THATS IT.
Theres nothing "externally" binding them to upholding that contract other than implied social agreements to pursue consistency within those laws within certain physical boundaries.
THAT
IS
IT.
Your very sentence is WHY we need to take the word "god" out of the pledge. Playing fast and loose with language
Nihilism is NOT apathy.
The fact that the universe doesn't mean anything doesn't mean that you can't make the universe mean anything.
Apathy is an action.
Nihilism is an assessment of those actions.
But ayyye
Morals are not real ,correct Mr. Nihilist?
They aren't. You can't seem to grasp that.
I best not see any "waaah waaah the coli has too many pro black but anti gay ppl on here" threads from u
Let me get this straight. Because I assert that the universe has no meaning (or one we can derive at this point) that therefore I shouldn't support the rights of gays who are being killed around the world?
And who said I was against pro-black people? I'm against psuedoscience and logical fallacies. All that other shyt is fine by me.
It doesn't benefit a nation-state to have laws that do not benefit the entirety of their citizens or who do not protect the rights given to them WITHIN that nation.
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Fukk your corny debates
@the hate for atheists here, even the supposed "liberal" Bob Beckel. It's easy to say this is just a bunch of conservative Fox News dikkheads, but Dana Perino was actually the White House Press Secretary and worked for the Justice Department. 
You Win Perfect
bow down
ya'll atheist are just so thirsty to discredit religion at any given chance. just don't mention God or religion, ya'll are always the first to say something slick about shyt you don't understand or believe.
what rights??
unborn babies being killed allover the nation but we dnt seem to support their "rights"
Which just goes back to my point
Personhood is as is undefined and can be defined anyhow..the denial of the "innate rights" of man destroys any foundation to personhood and leaves it open to any interpretation
And I am talking in the context of our laws
So in other words, ur picking and choosing based on what liberal media moves you to choose and support
Personhood is the focal point of many of the laws of the land but as is it is clearly undefined..and as time passes the justice system will crumble from lack of this foundation
luvaznpoon
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Yeah. Keep waiting.
I didn't say I was.
Damn, brah, you need to chill. This discussion has you goin' hard as fukk. Obviously this is a contentious topic, but you're not going to change anything by posting here on the coli. I mean, you're coming at people who don't even disagree with you on this.
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At least you understand why this is a good thing for religious people.
