The removal of "under god" from the pledge is being debated in Massachusetts supreme court!

[Mr. Somebody]

nah, he was woodworking in finland

Let me see your ancestry.com tree, friend.

 

[the cac mamba]

Let me see your ancestry.com tree, friend.

yea let me go ahead and pull that right up for you

 

[Mr. Somebody]

yea let me go ahead and pull that right up for you

Thank you for your cooperation, Robocop.

 

[The 2020 New Member]

BMF was a hit song tho. on the strong of that joint alone it should stay

 

[Will Ross]

Alot of people give a shyt, there's people up in arms...

Secondly, if your religious freedoms were being disrespected everyday blatantly to all the children in your family you wouldn't have this nonchalant attitude about it.

Bottom line, everybody don't believe in your god, and everybody shouldn't be force indoctrinated everyday at school with what SOME people believe in.

An you think the wheels of common sense and dare I say justice are supposed to stop because of some other bullshyt going on elsewhere? FOH

Atheisms is not a religion
some people tend to forget this now.

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Atheisms is not a religion
some people tend to forget this now.

I said regilious freedom. That's includes your right not to practice at all..

Point still remains. People don't belive the same shyt and this ain't Saudi Arabia were a particular faith is mandated.

 

[blackslash]

NIHILISM is not APATHY

What the fukk do you not understand?

One is what you understand, the other is how you behave.

This is so fukking stupid of you and I'm perplexed what or why you don't understand.

We AS A SOCIETY made these rules we want to follow. They don't exist without us enforcing them.

If RULES that we made are ALL that we have, then we shuold try our best to live by them.

Currently, including "god" in the pledge does not uphold our aim to have a society that lives as close as possible to those rules.

Apathy? Apathy?

You mean the antonym of the feeling that appeals to the aspects that your worldview denies?

Example of apathy is walking past and showing no concern of a woman getting raped in public....but what u fail to realize is that feeling, sympathy(in the context of this discussion) is an appeal to human rights and concern over the idea that a person's rights are getting violated..

But you are a nihilist...that concern according to your view is merely one that spurs from the ultimately purposeless illusory constructs of moral responsibility...emphasis on ILLUSORY(Such as what u claim these "religious nuts" to do but worse off cuz u acknowledge it as illusory)

Point blank..this thread is dead because of the simple fact that you really have no argument to present to these people in light of the worldview which u claim

Your worldview destroys any and all validity of many of the arguments you have used to sway people to ur side of the fence

Its funny doe

Mr. nihilist parades himself around like an intellectual but contradicts his beliefs by his very own words..

But aye do u breh I understand...

God in the pledge "gets in the way of ur fun"

 

[JasonSJackson]

first spiritual death then physical death

 

[Shogun]

no matter how much people want to ignore it, America was founded as a Christian nation

That said, I'm not religious at all and couldn't really care any less. For some reason people get all up in arms about shyt thats really insignificant, but if this will shut them up fine. Problem is, like most liberals, they'll just move on to the next moral outrage that they need to justify their existence.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Apathy? Apathy?

You mean the antonym of the feeling that appeals to the aspects that your worldview denies?

Its not an antonym. its not even the opposite word.

its a different train of thought and concept altogether.

Nihilism is the realization that there is no inherent meaning in anything.

Apathy is the lack of investment in anything.

Theres a big difference.

Its the difference between playing a game that you know doesn't mean anything and sitting by while others play the game.

Example of apathy is walking past and showing no concern of a woman getting raped in public....but what u fail to realize is that feeling, sympathy(in the context of this discussion) is an appeal to human rights and concern over the idea that a person's rights are getting violated..

Human rights are created. They don't innately exist. Just because you've come to expect certain behaviors doesn't mean that those behaviors out of fellow citizens are innate and immutable.

They're not.

That doesn't conflict with nihilism.

Nihilism ultimately says that yeah, that woman got raped. thats the action that occured. Now apathetic people wouldn't care.

Nihilists realize that caring OR not caring doesn't matter...but choosing to care doesn't mean you're less of a nihilist.

But you are a nihilist...that concern according to your view is merely one that spurs from the ultimately purposeless illusory constructs of moral responsibility...emphasis on ILLUSORY(Such as what u claim these "religious nuts" to do but worse off cuz u acknowledge it as illusory)

Knowledge of an illusion is not an illusion dumbass.

Point blank..this thread is dead because of the simple fact that you really have no argument to present to these people in light of the worldview which u claim

Are you seriously perpetuating an ad hominem (attacking the person, not the argument) then stepping back like you have a valid argument?

This is about the constitutionality of a law...not whether or not nihilists can have a view on law itself.

Thats like saying atheists can't criticize religious people.

Your worldview destroys any and all validity of many of the arguments you have used to sway people to ur side of the fence

What does me finding an ultimate lack of validity in any world view have to do with the fact that this law is, if held to its own standards, unconstitutional?

Its funny doe

Its embarrassing how little you truly know.

Mr. nihilist parades himself around like an intellectual but contradicts his beliefs by his very own words..

Life doesn't mean anything in and of itself.

Its pointless.

Devoid.

Empty.

Vast. Uncaring. Cold. Dark. Empty.

It doesn't give a flying fukk about you and nothing you think ultimately matters.
You happy?

But since i'm here, I want XYZ laws and rules in place.

You mad?

Get mad.

I don't GIVE a single-flying-fukk.

At least I'm not sitting here pretending like morals are some innate bullshyt handed down by "jezus" and not the result of humanity's trial and error to IMPROVE the collective wellbeing of all members of its society so that the society as a whole can provide for greater progression and fulfillment of whatever aims it may have.

But aye do u breh I understand...

God in the pledge "gets in the way of ur fun"

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

no matter how much people want to ignore it, America was founded as a Christian nation

Read me article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli and tell me who wrote the letter.

That said, I'm not religious at all and couldn't really care any less. For some reason people get all up in arms about shyt thats really insignificant, but if this will shut them up fine. Problem is, like most liberals, they'll just move on to the next moral outrage that they need to justify their existence.

Its not insignificant if you don't want religion influencing government and being represented by government.

if you're not religious, then don't let religious people represent something you don't support.

Its simple.

Stop casting this off as "not important."

There are tons of bullshyt laws on the books that people find "aren't important"...yet people still enforce them, don't they?

I love how you cast this as moral outrage yet can't fathom that ONE day you might be trying to change some grossly negligent injustice against your own wellbeing and legal representation.

There are currently SEVEN states that list you can't be an atheist and hold office.

Think about that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Atheisms is not a religion
some people tend to forget this now.

No shyt.

It seems you don't have a problem with christianity being represented.

Yet...I know you'd be pissed of Hindus started forcing shiva up your ass.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@blackslash, you're fukking pathetic.

You have NOT ONCE addressed the legality of such a mandate whereby the government has a pledge in it with the words "god" in it. Something so overtly and succinctly representative of religious influence...AND YET...you want to talk about my view on morality and the futility of life.

Thats like you talking about drone strikes and I try to discount your point by mentioning that you failed a calculus exam in high school

 

[Shogun]

Read me article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli and tell me who wrote the letter.



Its not insignificant if you don't want religion influencing government and being represented by government.

if you're not religious, then don't let religious people represent something you don't support.

Its simple.

Stop casting this off as "not important."

There are tons of bullshyt laws on the books that people find "aren't important"...yet people still enforce them, don't they?

I love how you cast this as moral outrage yet can't fathom that ONE day you might be trying to change some grossly negligent injustice against your own wellbeing and legal representation.

There are currently SEVEN states that list you can't be an atheist and hold office.

Think about that.

It sounds like you have a long list of moral outrages to address after the pledge is addressed, friend.

and by the way, genius, the first line of the wiki article on Article 11 is accurate in stating that:

Although Article 11 has been a point of contention in popular culture disputes on the doctrine of separation of church and state as it applies to the founding principles of the United States, no academic historian has suggested the treaty provides evidence to settle that question in either direction

 

[Will Ross]

No shyt.

It seems you don't have a problem with Christianity being represented.

Yet...I know you'd be pissed of Hindus started forcing shiva up your ass.

Saying under god does not speak on any specific religion.
Atheism is not a religion so freedom of religion does not apply.