The Curse of ‘Crash’: The Narratives That Doom Oscar Movies

[kp404]

Oh lord jesus (sweet brown voice)

I don't have chinatown or insomnia on mine



You effin with my head right now breh

I can understand not having Insomnia because its newer and the Nolan stans don't recognize its greatness because they love his blockbusters movies, but you need to sit down and rewatch it, breh...immediately.

As for not having Chinatown on your list,

 

[FlyRy]

Is that the november list or am I missing something?
Also 12 angry men is a suspense film right?

yes it's the november list tomorrow.


i'd say that's a straight up drama

I can understand not having Insomnia because its newer and the Nolan stans don't recognize its greatness because they love his blockbusters movies, but you need to sit down and rewatch it, breh...immediately.

As for not having Chinatown on your list,

Actually Insomnia is the first nolan film i ever saw in theaters. and probably one of the first overall thrillers I can recall seeing in theaters as well(enemy of the state was more an action thriller)

I actually just bought the blu a few weeks ago as an upgrade over the old DVD. I also got the criterion joint of the norwegian original(haven't watched yet :mjpls)

 

[MartyMcFly]

you might watch it though, right?

it's not about the awards, fukk the awards. it's not about having one group of people telling us all what the best movies and performances were, it's about celebrating the love of film. all these award shows... whether it's the oscars, the golden globes, the mtv movie awards... it's just about celebrating the year in film.

the academy is no worse or better than any other committee of opinions, only thing is they are daunted with the task of not only having to cater to the most broadest demographic possible, but also maintaining the prestige and nobility of the event. so i imagine they don't pick the best movie but rather they arrive at best movie.




sidenote: do you guys really not understand why movies like titanic and forrest gump would win over movies like la confidential and pulp fiction?

I completely understand why those movies would win over stuff like pulp fiction and la confidential. That's part of what that article is about. It makes sense but that doesn't mean everyone likes it

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I completely understand why those movies would win over stuff like pulp fiction and la confidential. That's part of what that article is about. It makes sense but that doesn't mean everyone likes it

wow i just read the article, i really like the way the writer puts it in terms of "x" and "y".

forrest gump and pulp fiction are both great movies for entirely different reasons. yes pulp fiction is the "cooler" pick but does that make it the "best" pick? i don't know. i think in the end they went with forrest gump because it is the greater crowd pleaser.

a best picture nomination and the winner of best movie at the mtv awards. i'd say the movie got it's due.

 

[TRIPLE M]

Fuk the oscars
If they truly wanted to recognize film they would split the genres and honor the best in those areas instead of passing over deserving films because they don't fit the oscar mold

 

[MartyMcFly]

wow i just read the article, i really like the way the writer puts it in terms of "x" and "y".

forrest gump and pulp fiction are both great movies for entirely different reasons. yes pulp fiction is the "cooler" pick but does that make it the "best" pick? i don't know. i think in the end they went with forrest gump because it is the greater crowd pleaser.

a best picture nomination and the winner of best movie at the mtv awards. i'd say the movie got it's due.

Yeah it's the easier picture so it won. That's exactly what the article is saying. The academy doesn't always go with the rougher edgier movies or more challenging movies and that's not always a bad thing but not always a good thing either. I'd say, in my opinion, Pulp Fiction has stood the test of time better but that's probably just a generational thing

 

[kp404]

wow i just read the article, i really like the way the writer puts it in terms of "x" and "y".

forrest gump and pulp fiction are both great movies for entirely different reasons. yes pulp fiction is the "cooler" pick but does that make it the "best" pick? i don't know. i think in the end they went with forrest gump because it is the greater crowd pleaser.

a best picture nomination and the winner of best movie at the mtv awards. i'd say the movie got it's due.

And that's exactly why I don't hold the winners to high esteem...Forrest Gump is CLEARLY not better than Pulp Fiction or Hoop Dreams, but it won. Oh well. I watch for the celebration and to guess picks

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

And that's exactly why I don't hold the winners to high esteem...Forrest Gump is CLEARLY not better than Pulp Fiction or Hoop Dreams, but it won. Oh well. I watch for the celebration and to guess picks

look i'm not gonna argue with you about forrest gump. personally i think it's an amazing fukkin movie. i don't see any need to compare it to pulp fiction. they're just too extremely different. plus i love them both.

it is not about them picking the "best" movie... none of us will be able to agree on that. it's about picking the "right" movie.

i guess they figured forrest gump was just the "right" movie that year.

i think i agree.

 

[FlyRy]

And that's exactly why I don't hold the winners to high esteem...Forrest Gump is CLEARLY not better than Pulp Fiction or Hoop Dreams, but it won. Oh well. I watch for the celebration and to guess picks

you put hoop dreams over Shawshank Redemption?

 

[MartyMcFly]

look i'm not gonna argue with you about forrest gump. personally i think it's an amazing fukkin movie. i don't see any need to compare it to pulp fiction. they're just too extremely different. plus i love them both.

it is not about them picking the "best" movie... none of us will be able to agree on that. it's about picking the "right" movie.

i guess they figured forrest gump was just the "right" movie that year.

i think i agree.

The oscar pick for best picture normally represents what film is that year and I believe Pulp Fiction is the best film that represents film for 94. I'm not mad that Forest Gump won because I don't hate the movie, I also don't think it's that great, but I do like it. I just feel Pulp fiction better represents that year with the indie movement and the different things people were trying in film that year and just experimenting.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

The oscar pick for best picture normally represents what film is that year and I believe Pulp Fiction is the best film that represents film for 94. I'm not mad that Forest Gump won because I don't hate the movie, I also don't think it's that great, but I do like it. I just feel Pulp fiction better represents that year with the indie movement and the different things people were trying in film that year and just experimenting.

well do you believe the oscars should be about putting the spotlight on niche indie movements or should it be about speaking for the larger population as a whole? remember this is the oscars. think about who's watching. think about who they're catering to. think about who they have to speak for.

i think at the end of the day there are more people out there that like to watch movies because of films like forrest gump rather than films like pulp fiction. when you watch forrest gump you laugh, you cry, and you feel inspired. i believe in more people's eyes it was a better representation of why we like to watch movies in the first place.

it was just a more emotionally powerful experience.

 

[MartyMcFly]

well do you believe the oscars should be about putting the spotlight on niche indie movements or should it be about speaking for the larger population as a whole? remember this is the oscars. think about who's watching. think about who they're catering to. think about who they have to speak for.

i think at the end of the day there are more people out there that like to watch movies because of films like forrest gump rather than films like pulp fiction. when you watch forrest gump you laugh, you cry, and you feel inspired. i believe in more people's eyes it was a better representation of why we like to watch movies in the first place.

it was just more of an emotionally powerful experience.

I think the oscars should represent that year in movies and I feel like Pulp Fiction is a better representation of film for that year. period. And it's obviously not always a populous vote because the Hurt Locker won in 09 which didn't make anything close to a lot of money nor was it seen by more people than inception or district 9 or inglorious basterds and certainly not avatar.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I think the oscars should represent that year in movies and I feel like Pulp Fiction is a better representation of film for that year. period. And it's obviously not always a populous vote because the Hurt Locker won in 09 which didn't make anything close to a lot of money nor was it seen by more people than inception or district 9 or inglorious basterds and certainly not avatar.

a better representation of film?

care to clarify?

wouldn't you argue both movies were pretty huge?

 

[FlyRy]

I think the oscars should represent that year in movies and I feel like Pulp Fiction is a better representation of film for that year. period. And it's obviously not always a populous vote because the Hurt Locker won in 09 which didn't make anything close to a lot of money nor was it seen by more people than inception or district 9 or inglorious basterds and certainly not avatar.

random.. but 2 of the only best picture winners of the past 30 years i've never seen are recent ones. - the king's speech and The Artist.. both on netflix though

i've seen about half of artist though but i wasn't yet into the b&w or silent films thing yet and i've tried to start king's like 10 times just have no interest

 

[MartyMcFly]

a better representation of film?

care to clarify?

wouldn't you argue both movies were pretty huge?

I think that Pulp Fiction represents that year in film better as far as the experimentation and just telling different stories: Quiz Show, Clerks, Ed Wood, Hoop Dreams, and several other films like Crooklyn from that year took chances or just told stories from a different point of view. Even four weddings and a funeral did that for American audiences at least. In a year where a lot of filmmakers are just experimenting and throwing stuff against the wall and toying around with narrative and character, sometimes making unlikable characters the main stars even, I feel like Pulp Fiction better represents that. There's no question that they were both huge movies so that's not even a question. The 90s were a decade when filmmakers were really just trying to find out what the next generation wanted and what they'd respond to. A lot of new filmmakers emerged just trying to see what works and Pulp Fiction, in my mind best represents that