The Beef between Upper & Lower Class Blacks during the 2nd Great Migration

[IllmaticDelta]

Back In the day the south for the most part was rural. So it was north vs south.

Historically, it wasn't a north/south thing because the same dynamic played out in the North even in the 1700/1800s with NORTHERN Slaves vs NORTHERN Free Blacks. The same thing played out in the South; for example, Urban New Orleans Creoles vs "rural" LA creoles.

 

[Will Ross]

Historically, it wasn't a north/south thing because the same dynamic played out in the North even in the 1700/1800s with NORTHERN Slaves vs NORTHERN Free Blacks. The same thing played out in the South; for example, New Orleans Creoles vs "rural" creoles.

The thing is the south in general represented the country. A person from New York back In the day did not look at someone from New Orleans any different than they did someone from a rural area of Louisiana they was all country.

 

[xoxodede]

My fave scene ever in a movie.

I used to think it was about skin-color and hair texture -- as that was always the way / the narrative that was pushed.

But, I have to say I guess it really was classism, not wanting to being attached or connected to the "blacks" from the South -- the newly emancipated blacks -- guessing they wanted to be seen as better and different to Whites -- to keep their status or something.

Like @IllmaticDelta said -- very similar to the FPOC and Enslaved dynamic.

IMO Being light-skinned, having certain features or different hair textures -- didn't really come into play if looked like that --- when moving to the North. Especially when you still couldn't read, write and came from the South - aka newly Freedman/women or their children.

I don't know... I am still trying to understand.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

How the light bytch grow up in the 60s and dont acknowledge that she is in a different space than her coworkers as a Black woman?

 

[Cadillac]

Historically, it wasn't a north/south thing because the same dynamic played out in the North even in the 1700/1800s with NORTHERN Slaves vs NORTHERN Free Blacks. The same thing played out in the South; for example, Urban New Orleans Creoles vs "rural" LA creoles.

Is it possible both of yall are right?


I mean Northerners did do the same to other northerners but you could argue that while they did discriminate against their fellow northerners. They prolly saw southeners all the same.

I recall hearing from old nikkas, thats how it was. No matter if you from NO, or the rural outer parts of southern cities. Just announce you from the south and they saw you as country.

 

[truth2you]

South w/o question gave us the culture but the North gave us "black" identity and wiped out that that southern mulatto identification bs

That's true!

 

[truth2you]

America is a country that promotes individualism.

If one or few people are living a privileged life, the sentiment is that "I got where I am because I'm special and I excelled where others fell short." Not that maybe the fact that there are so few excelling indicates that there's something wrong with the system.

In places, where a sense of collectivism is important, people feel responsible for others and are inclined to do their part for the collective.

With individualism and the act of othering, it is easy to disassociate yourself with others and lack compassion and understanding for other's plight. Your concern isnt about them, it's about you as an individual and whatever and whomever can help you improve.

I don't think it's just "America", because black people used to be about the collective, I'm older and remember the 80s was more about us as a people.

It's when we got access to more resources is when we became about self. This happened in the 90s, and just got worse in the 2000s. Hip hop just pushed the shyt over the edge.

Poor countries have the collective thinking because they need each other, but you can see with those who have more wealth, they shyt on their own. Why are people like this, I dont know, but it's very real if you just open your eyes to see

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

U see these mfs all the time with their turtleneck, small chain, plaid pants combination at every brunch spot drinking mimosas

Idk which one I hate more--them or SoHo nikkas.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The thing is the south in general represented the country.

For the most part; yes, but even then, there are/were parts within the South that were considered "urban" to people within the South





and slaves in NY lived a rural lifestyle

A person from New York back In the day did not look at someone from New Orleans any different than they did someone from a rural area of Louisiana they was all country.

Yes and no. An urbanized free person of color from Charleston SC would have been seen as less "country" than a slave from rural NY, from most people in the North

 

[gldnone913]

You ever seen "Soldier's Story" They touched a little on this dynamic in that movie



here too




calling a black person a "geechee" is used the same way as "country" or "bamma" amongst some aframs

THE DAY OF THE GEECHIE IS GONE, BOY!

YOU KNOW THE DAMAGE ONE IGNORANT NEGRO CAN DO?


One of my favorite movies. Rest in power, Adolph Caeser.

I got some bougie ass family like that though. All my folks originated from NC, but we got some folks that moved to the Northeast. Bougie as shyt LMAO

 

[Supper]

@IllmaticDelta

How free(mostly mulatto) poc courted (mostly black)ex slave freedmen into unitied with them into a common political identity in New Orleans Treme neighborhood.



Mulatto elites in the deep south learned quick that if they couldn't pass into whiteness they had better embrace the common black identity to have the support of the majority black ex slave community.

 

[Inokja]

So what's the name/source of the video in the tweet?

Found it somehow:

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Is it possible both of yall are right?


I mean Northerners did do the same to other northerners but you could argue that while they did discriminate against their fellow northerners. They prolly saw southeners all the same.

it this were true, there wouldn't have been so many Northern "Black Elites" of Southern backgrounds that blended into even older established northern black elite families

I recall hearing from old nikkas, thats how it was. No matter if you from NO, or the rural outer parts of southern cities. Just announce you from the south and they saw you as country.

I think there are many factors that play into that. Take this 1920s jazz era situation in the Fletcher Henderson (middle class and from Georgia) band that Louis Armstrong (poor from New Orleans) would later join

All these dude were from the South; outside of the Rican dude on the bottom right. All the Afram guys were from the South and were only in NY few years before Louis would go there from Chicago...

Louis was the only one that got clowned

....this wasn't really a North vs South thing; but, clearly a city/urban/middle class vs country/poor, clash

 

[xoxodede]

@IllmaticDelta

How free(mostly mulatto) poc courted (mostly black)ex slave freedmen into unitied with them into a common political identity in New Orleans Treme neighborhood.



Mulatto elites in the deep south learned quick that if they couldn't pass into whiteness they had better embrace the common black identity to have the support of the majority black ex slave community.

You know I stay on my Genealogy research/family tree hobby -- and earlier this year I found out I have some - I guess Creole ancestry.

I recently joined the surname FB group -- and It's crazy how most of them have all transitioned/breeded out their Blackness.

The ones who are still Black -- are very light. I don't know how I am connected to them -- but I am. Cause, both me and my Mom have a host of them as 2nd/3rd cousins. All from Lousiana.

I have no clue how my people in Alabama got mixed in.

But, I think most of them (Mulatto FPOC) continued to stay connected amongst themselves -- via class and other factors such as skin-tone as well. Sure, many branched out -- but they still kept rank.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta

How free(mostly mulatto) poc courted (mostly black)ex slave freedmen into unitied with them into a common political identity in New Orleans Treme neighborhood.



Mulatto elites in the deep south learned quick that if they couldn't pass into whiteness they had better embrace the common black identity to have the support of the majority black ex slave community.

yep, they had to get in line because once Jim Crow started hitting; it was a wrap for that 3 tier mess