The Beef between Upper & Lower Class Blacks during the 2nd Great Migration

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makes sense. I don’t see this in Harlem but I have a lawyer friend who lives in BRooklyn whose from DC who tries to act like she’s part of the struggling class.

I expose her all the time on her Facebook letting her know her attorney ass is part of the newcomers changing the area.

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idk if its in large numbers but ive seen a decent number of my peers move to DC and Harlem. The types who do the day party and brunch scene
 

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Great book... This Boule, Jack & Jill, and LINKS stuff is in Atlanta and DC pretty heavy.
 

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Even with the Jack & Jill societies like the one I just posted, classism in the AA community is nothing compared to what exist in the Latin America and the West Indies-

The reason being that regional AA cultures/communities were spread and cross pollinated(domestic slave trade/great migration). Also radical segregation did a lot to eliminate radical classism as well. The fact that no AA, poor and rich alike, was safe from even VIOLENT forms of racism(tulsa, rosewood, Slocum) by whites, poor and rich alike did a lot to blur the class lines within the AA community. Plus there was the one drop rule. These are all uniquely American phenomenons.


pretty much


The aftermath of the Civil War dramatically accelerated the process of cultural osmosis. In the same way that Northern entrepreneurs (carpetbaggers) flooded the Reconstruction South seeking business opportunities, tens of thousands of Black Yankees left homes and careers and also migrated to the defeated South. They built the schools, printed the newspapers, and opened the businesses that taught the newly freed to flourish as Americans.68 Joel Williamson particularly distinguishes between Northern Black Yankees and Southern former slaves, especially among former Union soldiers:

The channels though which mulatto leadership moved from the North to the lower South are clearly visible. Many of the migrants, women as well as men, came as teachers sponsored by a dozen or so benevolent societies, arriving in the still turbulent wake of Union armies. Others came to organize relief for the refugees…. Still others… came south as religious missionaries… Some came south as business or professional people seeking opportunity on this… special black frontier. Finally, thousands came as soldiers [Black Yankees in regiments that served in the South], and when the war was over, many of [their] young men remained there or returned after a stay of some months in the North to complete their education.69

Culture clash made for bumpy times for some of the volunteers. Slave religious services were characterized by the ring-shout ceremony. In a ring-shout, as Daniel Payne had noticed,70 the outdoor congregation shuffles, dances, claps, and sings as they circle the preacher, loudly responding to his or her every utterance. Although the ring-shout is ostensibly Christian, the old Yoruba orixas Exu, Ogun, Xango, Oxossi often make an appearance by taking possession of a dancer, especially in the Sea Islands and in Louisiana bayous.71 Black Yankees, in contrast, were staid Methodist Episcopalians. Slave music had exceedingly simple melodies and harmony was unknown, but the music gloried in dazzling rhythmic syncopation. Black Yankee music was characterized by the subtle and changing harmonies of Anglican hymns and a steady British beat.72

Many AME ministers sent south insisted on an educated ministry, undercutting the authority of self-taught slave-born preachers, and demanded more sedate services than new freedmen were used to. “The old people were not anxious to see innovations introduced in religious worship,” one wrote home, telling how a Black Yankee preacher was mocked as a “Presbyterian” by his new flock.73 Nevertheless, the overall attitude of the Black Yankees reflected solidarity with their charges. New England Black Yankee teacher Virginia C. Greene wrote home, “I class myself with the freedmen. Though I have never known servitude they are in fact my people.”74 Some of the southbound migrants even married white southern Republicans during Congressional Reconstruction. Carrie Highgate, a Black Yankee schoolteacher from New York married White Mississippi state senator Albert T. Morgan.75

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Same thing happened in Liberia.

The high yella Blacks who were repatriated to West Africa in the 19th Century looked down upon the native Liberians, lorded over them, denied them political rights and acted like the slave masters they’d escaped from.

These injustices caused a lot of upheaval, culminating in a violent coup in 1980 led by indigenous Liberian Samuel Doe, which ended the Americo-Liberians’ dominance.
 
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I knew about it, but as I got older, I noticed it was mostly the south that got us our freedom, and dignity, while the north, and west, just focused on image. I guess that's why the south is coming up way more then the north or south. Look at Tyler Perry's studios, that could have easily happened somewhere up north with all the land , and talent, in NYC but we were focused on getting hired, and looking successful, but no real ownership.

South w/o question gave us the culture but the North gave us "black" identity and wiped out that that southern :mjpls:mulatto identification bs:ehh:
 

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what does Tyler Perry studios who pays him personally have to do with black people?

The south is still the poorest region in America and black people down there are struggling equally like black folks everywhere.
On the surface. Blacks in Detroit Chicago Milwaukee would be just as poor if not for the Democrats & the welfare system. Also the drug trade run by the government make it look better. The education system & job opportunities are the same in the north & the south. At least the south has HBCUs
 

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thats a big reason i dont really rock with the dems like that, according to them we all one and that's not true. class usually trumps race alot of times, not all of course its some exceptions but a good amount of time. liberals never discuss class... never.
 

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member in Malcolm X, when he bumped into buddy at that bar, the line about him being a "country nikka"

:wow:woooo, so much history in them two words and that 'scust in that brehs voice

but I do wonder if this trend will amplify now that you have a lot of people migrating to more smaller metros


Ehh....it's not really a North vs South thing. It was more of a big city-urban vs country/rural, thing.

The older version of it would have been free people of color vs enslaved/freed slaves
 

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America is a country that promotes individualism.

If one or few people are living a privileged life, the sentiment is that "I got where I am because I'm special and I excelled where others fell short." Not that maybe the fact that there are so few excelling indicates that there's something wrong with the system.

In places, where a sense of collectivism is important, people feel responsible for others and are inclined to do their part for the collective.

With individualism and the act of othering, it is easy to disassociate yourself with others and lack compassion and understanding for other's plight. Your concern isnt about them, it's about you as an individual and whatever and whomever can help you improve.
 
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