The Beef between Upper & Lower Class Blacks during the 2nd Great Migration

[Supper]

Even with the Jack & Jill societies like the one I just posted, classism in the AA community is nothing compared to what exist in Latin America and the West Indies-

The reason being that regional AA cultures/communities were spread and cross pollinated(domestic slave trade/great migration). Also racial segregation did a lot to eliminate radical classism as well. The fact that no AA, poor and rich alike, was safe from even VIOLENT forms of racism(tulsa, rosewood, Slocum) by whites, poor and rich alike did a lot to blur the class lines within the AA community. Plus there was the one drop rule. These are all uniquely American phenomenons.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

 

[Apollo Creed]

what does Tyler Perry studios who pays him personally have to do with black people?

The south is still the poorest region in America and black people down there are struggling equally like black folks everywhere.

tyler was gifted the land for the studio by Kasim Reed who is part of the “Cascade Crew” lol

 

[UberEatsDriver]

The south is the poorest region because its full of blacks, but there is also blacks who live a descent life with not much money. It isn't like that in the north where it ways more separation, add a lower quality of life IF you have a family. If you are single the north is the shyt!

As far as Tyler Perry's studio, most of the money that has been made in Black America when it comes to Millions has been in sports & Entertainment, the fact that we never owned a studio is troublesome. How do you think Jewish people got their money? They went to Hollywood, and owned the studios, then funneled that money into other stuff. Now that we do have our own black studios, you know how many people will be employed in the south? Its not just actors, its producers, directors, electricians, and so much more, its studio NOT a movie. its bigger then all of the studios in Hollywood combined! I personally think the fire that hit it was done on purpose, but that is me throwing out conspiracies.

Doesn’t sound like a region thing to me. You just described Philadelphia and Chicago with that line.

 

[xoxodede]

Great thread.

I wouldn't say it was a beef though.

I THINK this is because many of those who were in the North were descendants of those who were freed/emancipated after the Revolutionary war and/or the end of Slavery in the North in 1804.

They were also of a mix of FPOC descendants and mixed-race folks - who had to classify as "black." As well as Black immigrants who were in the North more so.

Other former slaves, often mixed-race former house slaves who shared ancestry with their onetime owners and had acquired marketable skills such as cooking and tailoring, worked in domestic fields or were able to open small businesses such as restaurants and catering firms. Some free blacks in the North also founded small businesses and even newspapers.[5] They were able to get a head-start on the blacks who were essentially still enslaved by their lack of access to wealth accumulation, particularly when it came to owning their own land.[6]

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In the South, an elite started forming before the American Civil War among free blacks who managed to acquire property. Of the free people of color in North Carolina in the censuses from 1790 to 1810, 80% can be traced to African Americans free in Virginia during the colonial period. Free blacks migrated from Virginia to other states over several generations, as did many of their neighbors. Extensive research into colonial court records, wills and deeds has demonstrated that most of those free families came from relationships or marriages between white women, servant or free, and black men, servant, free or slave. Such relationships were part of the more fluid relationships among the working class before the boundaries of slavery hardened.[1]

During the 19th century, there were additional relationships between whites and blacks, not always of a consensual nature. What is notorious is that white slaveholders could take advantage of slave women because of their power. There were also slaveholders who had caring relationships, common-law marriages, and even real marriages with black slave women, and who sometimes freed them and their children. Some slaveholders did provide for their mixed-race children by ensuring they got education although, in other cases, they were simply apprenticed to a trade or craft. Whatever property the father passed on to the child was important in helping that person get a start in life. These mulattos in turn patterned their subsequent lives after "polite" white society. In some places - such as New Orleans - this system coalesced into what was known as Plaçage.

In the South, because of their head start in acquiring property, the black elite began to exercise leadership roles within the church, black schools, and community, but as in any society, there were natural leaders who rose up from many different classes.

Catering services and other skilled employment were important because they had the white contacts needed to remain within the “status quo”. The black elite also enjoyed the benefits of living within the white neighborhoods, which further isolated them from the darker-skinned African Americans and which caused many of them to blame them for the downward shifts in life-style choices. Some lighter skinned blacks even passed for white, and were assimilated into white society thereafter.

The Civil Rights Movement and affirmative action brought about many changes for the black elite. As the old elite died away, it made room for the new black elite to emerge. Within its ranks are the educated, the politicians, the entrepreneurs, actors, singers, and those who are otherwise part of America's wider upper-middle class.
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[truth2you]

Doesn’t sound like a region thing to me. You just described Philadelphia and Chicago with that line.

How doesn't it sound like a region thing? Those are cities, the south is a whole region, much different.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

How doesn't it sound like a region thing? Those are cities, the south is a whole region, much different.

In regards to black families can live in a good life without much money.

 

[PL368Z]

Classicism is real.

which why i never get pro-black people that advocate for black supremacy.

Not realizing that is going to be exactly like white supremacy, were only as small few are a top while the rest lives on paycheck to paycheck.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

those are creole negroes.

I been told yall most blacks in west came from lou texas Arkansas heavy creole influence.

none of the black Panthers were born In cali.

but it was a rift early on with bougie negro and the new blacks coming in.

it was over alot of stuff

 

[UberEatsDriver]

And before people start talking shyt to eachother understand that this is normal between humans.

europeans, Jews and Hispanics do the same exact act.


Puerto Rican’s to Dominicans.

Mexican American to “illegals”

Robert Moses family looked down on the next generation of Jews.

That’s classism.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Classicism is real.

which why i never get pro-black people that advocate for black supremacy.

Not realizing that is going to be exactly like white supremacy, were only as small few are a top while the rest lives on paycheck to paycheck.

I would love to know what cities have the most young black professionals and I would love to see what their relationship is with the locals.

One of my friends said it’s good that upper blacks are gentrifying black areas.

I told her no it’s not.

 

[truth2you]

In regards to black families can live in a good life without much money.

I agree with that, but its still only certain parts not the whole region. It always been like this since I was alive. I lived in Brooklyn, but would go to N.C. for the summer, and seen how much better they lived then us(family stuff, not nightclubs, and single life). The poor in NYC used to not have the basics a lot of times, but when I went down south, you could be poor and still be able to eat good quality food or have somewhere to stay without being on top of each other.

Even cable was there first while in NYC most blacks & latins didn't get cable until the early 90's! That's why when I used to hear people home dis the south, I used to just laugh, because I knew how much better they had it. NOW, the laws is something that NEEDS to be fixed. I give the north more props when it comes to that.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I would love to know what cities have the most young black professionals and I would love to see what their relationship is with the locals.

One of my friends said it’s good that upper blacks are gentrifying black areas.

I told her no it’s not.

Just look at HBCUs. The students and locals around the school tend to have tension often times.

 

[Supper]

those are creole negroes.

I been told yall most blacks in west came from lou texas Arkansas heavy creole influence.

none of the black Panthers were born In cali.

but it was a rift early on with bougie negro and the new blacks coming in.

it was over alot of stuff

"Creole" in New Orleans tends to carry difference connotations than it does in rural southern louisiana and southeast tx. "Creole" in New Orleans tends to be associated with anything of colonial bourgeois origin.

"Creole" rural southern louisiana just means black to differentiate from white cajuns. In Southeast tx it means blacks of southern louisiana heritage.

Creoles in rural southern louisiana and southeast tx were(and many still are) poor as fukk.
Frenchtown, Houston - Wikipedia
(this never been no wealthy neighborhood)

Really the most accurate definition is "african descent that traces back to colonial louisiana".

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Just look at HBCUs. The students and locals around the school tend to have tension often times.

makes sense. I don’t see this in Harlem but I have a lawyer friend who lives in BRooklyn whose from DC who tries to act like she’s part of the struggling class.

I expose her all the time on her Facebook letting her know her attorney ass is part of the newcomers changing the area.