The Beef between Upper & Lower Class Blacks during the 2nd Great Migration

[Thurgood Thurston III]

Yeah I just read @Supper and your post.


Who are you talking aboout right here?

SoHo nikkas. I hate brunch nikkas too, but brunch nikkas are actually easier to talk to. SoHo nikkas are not as fun and outgoing as their "quirky" IG pics imply.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Is it possible both of yall are right?


I mean Northerners did do the same to other northerners but you could argue that while they did discriminate against their fellow northerners. They prolly saw southeners all the same.

I recall hearing from old nikkas, thats how it was. No matter if you from NO, or the rural outer parts of southern cities. Just announce you from the south and they saw you as country.

The thing is the south in general represented the country. A person from New York back In the day did not look at someone from New Orleans any different than they did someone from a rural area of Louisiana they was all country.

me:

For the most part; yes, but even then, there are/were parts within the South that were considered "urban" to people within the South









Yes and no. An urbanized free person of color from Charleston SC would have been seen as less "country" than a slave from rural NY, from most people in the North

historical proof.........northern blacks of THE REAL OLD GUARD with the Dutch surnames with roots in Northern slaves, had no problems becoming one with the "black elites" from the South; later, blending so much that most of the Northern Elites were of Southern origin

 

[Supper]

possibly, but those places are close to each other and I don’t think you could tell where someone is from based on skin color alone, since I’m sure there was a lot of skin tone variation in Louisiana folks migrating to Houston.


I would say it was more about them remaining conservative catholic, and adhering to the catholic religion, than about skin color. I would guess there was a lot of partying, drinking and socializing by recent transplant to the city. A faster way of life, the older couple in the article didn’t condone. But best believe skin tone played a part too. It always does in South Louisiana.

I was referring to the part with the older Breaux Bridge man was referring to "creole blood" as possibly associating "creole" with light skin. But, that's just a theory of mine.

Are you saying that black folks from Opelousas and Laffeyette are less likely to be catholic than those from Breaux Bridge? It's half and half protestants/catholics with my fam from there. Some lines come from catholics who later joined baptist churches after slavery.

And yeah, it was music and dancing at outdoor functions and clubs that merged the two aados sub communities in Houston together.

Case and point.



Mixed crowd of black Texans and Louisianians and their children in Houston dancing to a music played by Lightnin Hopkins(rural Texan) and Cleveland Chenier(Louisiana). Even though the vid is from the late 60s that's probably what was going on in the 40s and 50s with the younger generation.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And yeah, it was music and dancing at outdoor functions and clubs that merged the two aados sub communities in Houston together.

Case and point.



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exactly what happened in the formative years of jazz in New Orleans via Buddy Bolden

 

[JackRoss]

Light skin people stay acting like fakkits. See my girl

 

[Cadillac]

Light skin people stay acting like fakkits. See my girl

you calling your own girl a fakkit

 

[TNOT]

I was referring to the part with the older Breaux Bridge man was referring to "creole blood" as possibly associating "creole" with light skin. But, that's just a theory of mine.

Are you saying that black folks from Opelousas and Laffeyette are less likely to be catholic than those from Breaux Bridge? It's half and half protestants/catholics with my fam from there. Some lines come from catholics who later joined baptist churches after slavery.

And yeah, it was music and dancing at outdoor functions and clubs that merged the two aados sub communities in Houston together.

Case and point.



Mixed crowd of black Texans and Louisianians and their children in Houston dancing to a music played by Lightnin Hopkins(rural Texan) and Cleveland Chenier(Louisiana). Even though the vid is from the late 60s that's probably what was going on in the 40s and 50s with the younger generation.

Absolutely not. Older couple seemed to be hard lined catholic country creoles. There were/are still quite a few of them in all three places. Those people did/ still do associate light skin with creole heritage. it’s just that Lafayette and Opelousas we’re larger places and definitely had more dark skin black folk there.

Personal experience is that the more rural you go the more you will see that “ real Creole blood” mindset. They have a reputation for not liking to mix with darker black folk, so that is not just a New Orleans thing. I was dealing with a girl from Grand Maris ( basically a village) who told me straight up I couldn’t go visit her house, because her aunts and grandmother would trip after I left( I was too dark for them). This was in 2000s

If not something as blatant as that, it was ”who is your family, son?” or “ Where your people from?”
“ You look like dem( insert random black French name)”. I used to hate going to some of those chicks house, but if you wanted to smash them chicks you had to pretend y’all were a ”couple”. At least the ones from catholic, middle class backgrounds .

They wouldn’t say it, but some of those families definitely wanted future offspring to look a certain way. FWIW. You still see that today, it’s not as prevalent, it’s also not exclusive to New Orleans, or Louisiana.

There’s levels to this shyt.

 

[BuckFilly]

tyler was gifted the land for the studio by Kasim Reed who is part of the “Cascade Crew” lol

not familiar with the Cascade Crew, can you expound?

 

[Supper]

Yeah, my "Cousin" who wanted me to join the group looks like a full blown White man. I may be the darkest one in the group -- and i'm light brown. But, I digress.

Anyway, the ancestor we are connected (I think) to is listed as Mulatto and his Wife was listed as Mulatto but her father was born in France. So, I am thinking Placage.

On Alabama -- yeah - I know the Mobile Creoles are deep but I have no connection to them that I know of. Via my research - but I am still looking though.

I believe they had to intermarriage with those types of families. To continue to stay that way.

@IllmaticDelta

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Ehh....it's not really a North vs South thing. It was more of a big city-urban vs country/rural, thing.

The older version of it would have been free people of color vs enslaved/freed slaves

follow up to that



...the same beef/dynamic but within the South going back to the times of Reconstruction

@xoxodede @Supper @Cadillac

@Dorian Gray