Stop playing with this man. Mahomes the GOAT

[No1]

Bruschi said Mahomes first 6 years are better than Brady's. He also said they relied on the defense and running game more than the QB whereas Mahomes is the focal point in KC.

This isn't even a debate but you guys are using a 22 year sample size when the argument is 6 years vs 6 years.

I don’t care what Bruschi says. We watched the games what are you talking about? Some of us are old enough to have been there in real time. You sound 24. What did KC rely on this year b? Last year? Did Bruschi mention that time him and the defense gave up 29 points in one half in a SB? Did he mention that Brady was getting MVP votes before he ever got Moss? Did he forget Brady led the NFL in passing yards and attempts before Moss ever got there because the running game was ineffective? Like you’re talking to people who were there and watched it and can cite to the stats.

Mahomes came into the league with the most dynamic offensive weapons in the NFL. His numbers haven’t looked anything like they without them. His team this year and last was literally what Brady spent over a third of his career dealing with minus having a Kelce.

 

[No1]

That had more to do with Spygate

Shut up b.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Brady did that over 4 times.

Spying on other teams sure can help too

 

[broller]

I don’t care what Bruschi says. We watched the games what are you talking about? Some of us are old enough to have been there in real time. You sound 24. What did KC rely on this year b? Last year? Did Bruschi mention that time him and the defense gave up 29 points in one half in a SB? Did he mention that Brady was getting MVPs before he ever got Moss? Did he forget Brady led the NFL in passing yards and attempts before Moss ever got there because the running game was ineffective? Like you’re talking to people who were there and watched it and can cite to the stats.

Mahomes came into the league with the most dynamic offensive weapons in the NFL. His numbers haven’t looked anything like they without them. His team this year and last was literally what Brady spent over a third of his career dealing with minus having a Kelce.

That's false. Brady didn't win a single MVP, let alone multiple before he got Moss. His first MVP was with Moss, but he won two more without Moss (2010, 2017)

Bruschi was there too though...

I agree Brady didn't have much in terms of offensive weapons early on. The run game on '01 was okay but below average in '02 and '03. '04 it was elite though. But what Brady had on defense and special teams early on was better than what Mahomes had. No.6 scoring defense in '01, No 1 in '03, No. 2 in '04, No. 2 in '06. I think that's probably what Tedy was trying to get at. But I do think early Brady was capable as he did lead the league in TDs in 2002 and in passing yards in 2005.

 

[Big Boss]

I don’t care what Bruschi says. We watched the games what are you talking about? Some of us are old enough to have been there in real time. You sound 24. What did KC rely on this year b? Last year? Did Bruschi mention that time him and the defense gave up 29 points in one half in a SB? Did he mention that Brady was getting MVPs before he ever got Moss? Did he forget Brady led the NFL in passing yards and attempts before Moss ever got there because the running game was ineffective? Like you’re talking to people who were there and watched it and can cite to the stats.

Mahomes came into the league with the most dynamic offensive weapons in the NFL. His numbers haven’t looked anything like they without them. His team this year and last was literally what Brady spent over a third of his career dealing with minus having a Kelce.

Brady first MVP came with Moss

 

[broller]

Mahomes is on the way and objectively speaking, his first 6 years satistically are better than Brady.

But ya'll gotta chill with crowning a player who's only 6 years in their career. If we're talking about who makes flashier plays then Mahomes is gonna beat Brady. But great quarterbacking is about making the right reads, making quick decisions and throwing the ball accurately. Brady set the standard for 2+ decades, went to 11SBs, and along the way was part of some epic seasons (perfect season) and epic games (28-3).

Mahomes is headed there and I think he can get there, but he still has quite a bit to go before we can say he's better than Brady. I will say this though, Brady had to contend with Peyton in the AFC, and Eli seemed to get the better of him in the SB. Mahomes doesn't have to deal with any of that. Burrow is always hurt, Allen looks like Brett Favre status and Lamar is a choke artist. He has a clear path to the SB every single year. Brady was the one guy who beat him in the playoffs and he's gone.

Not true unless the previous two seasons don't count. In 2021, the Burrow Bengals beat him and in 2022, the Chiefs beat the Burrow Bengals.

Also, to say Mahomes has had a clear path but Brady didn't is wrong. People called Peyton a choke artist until the Patriots choked a 21-3 lead against the Colts. The Chiefs didn't do anything like that to the Bills.

Plus, I'm not sure how you're saying Allen is Favre status as a negative. Favre made two Super Bowls. And, Allen has played well in the last two Chiefs losses. There's nothing "clear path" about getting a FG shot with 13 seconds left in a game where your defense allows 36 points...

 

[Big Boss]

Not true unless the previous two seasons don't count. In 2021, the Burrow Bengals beat him and in 2022, the Chiefs beat the Burrow Bengals.

Also, to say Mahomes has had a clear path but Brady didn't is wrong. People called Peyton a choke artist until the Patriots choked a 21-3 lead against the Colts. The Chiefs didn't do anything like that to the Bills.

Plus, I'm not sure how you're saying Allen is Favre status as a negative. Favre made two Super Bowls. And, Allen has played well in the last two Chiefs losses. There's nothing "clear path" about getting a FG shot with 13 seconds left in a game where your defense allows 36 points...

Plus Favre won 3 straight MVPs in the 90s.

And let's be realistic the Chiefs are not going to the Superbowl every year. Somebody going to breakthrough.

 

[broller]

Some of you guys need to be kept off the internet. Like I hate that ESPN has made you think you can competently talk sports. Mahomes’ Chiefs this year are still most offensively gifted than any team Brady played with until 2007. And the Chiefs defense performed better than any defense Brady has ever had perform in the playoffs on a game to game basis outside of 2001. Every Brady SB run featured a game where the defense got lit up. At no point was Mahomes ever in that sort of situation. What’s crazy is I move Mahomes, and I hate that I can’t just enjoy watching him become who he may become without you guys writing so much revionist bullshyt.

You're gonna have to break down what getting lit up means so we can have a discussion.

The 2004 Pats gave up 3, 27 (that last TD came when it was 41-20 with 52 seconds left, ie. garbage time) and 21. That 21 was a fairly late TD too.

2007 the defense didn't allow more than 20 in any game. And lost giving up just 17, in a game where Brady thought it was laughable that Plaxico said the Pats would score 17.

2011 they gave up 10, 20 and 21.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Chris Broussard is right in this video. Brady was a game manager until 2007. Everyone viewed him as that. But you got people on here trying to rewrite history.

 

[28 Gramz]

Chris Broussard is right in this video. Brady was a game manager until 2007. Everyone viewed him as that. But you got people on here trying to rewrite history.

Broussard didn't start watching football like that until the mid 2000s. He doesn't know shyt.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Broussard didn't start watching football like that until the mid 2000s. He doesn't know shyt.

You might have a point if it wasn't for everyone saying that.

 

[premier58]

You might have a point if it wasn't for everyone saying that.

Broussard is awful. He compares passing stats from the deadball era to the liveball era. A man who doesnt understand context,.doesnt know football.

 

[No1]

That's false. Brady didn't win a single MVP, let alone multiple before he got Moss. His first MVP was with Moss, but he won two more without Moss (2010, 2017)

Bruschi was there too though...

I agree Brady didn't have much in terms of offensive weapons early on. The run game on '01 was okay but below average in '02 and '03. '04 it was elite though. But what Brady had on defense and special teams early on was better than what Mahomes had. No.6 scoring defense in '01, No 1 in '03, No. 2 in '04, No. 2 in '06. I think that's probably what Tedy was trying to get at. But I do think early Brady was capable as he did lead the league in TDs in 2002 and in passing yards in 2005.

Son it’s an obvious typo. I clearly meant MVP votes, which is why I edited it. As for Bruschi, he and many members of the Patriots defenses from back then don’t like how much credit Brady gets so they try to play themselves up and downplay Brady because they feel they don’t get that 85 Bears type of love. They are clearly underrated but none of that outside of 01’ shows up in the SB and that’s what people remember. They actually did more of their job in 07 when Brady had elite weapons and that’s why I put that on him.

What people recall is 29 points in one half in 03, a respectable 24-21 game in 04, blowing a huge lead versus Peyton in 06. And then when Brady came back after the knee injury teams were driven by offense to the point where Brady made the SB with a bottom 3 defense - something no one else had ever done. It’s the full body of work. People are trying to cut and slice up Brady’s career in a way as to say that Patty is on pace to surpass him but if anything, Patty’s career shows how hard it is to keep playing the same way with roster turnover and how things have to go your way. Those 49ers mistakes were the same type of breaks the Patriots used to get and then Mahomes capitalized like Brady used to do. But this argument of Mahomes doing more that people are trying to make is absurd given how his SB victories have played out.

 

[Supa]

KC literally just won a Superbowl shutting down an offense with 6 all pros and making 2 top 5 quarterbacks look pedestrian along the way. Their defense was the focal point of this run.

Chiefs had the 16th ranked defense last season. They went 14-3 and won it all.

After Brady won his first ring (6th defense) the Pats defense fell off a cliff and were ranked 17th in 2002. They went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th. He only had 3 out of 22 seasons where his defense didn't finish in the top 10.

Brady never carried a bad defense to a ring. Mahomes did.

 

[Chip Skylark]

Chiefs had the 16th ranked defense last season. They went 14-3 and won it all.

After Brady won his first ring (6th defense) the Pats defense fell off a cliff and were ranked 17th in 2002. They went 9-7 and missed the playoffs.

Tom Brady never won a Super Bowl with a defense ranked lower than 8th. He only had 3 out of 22 seasons where his defense didn't finish in the top 10.

Brady never carried a bad defense to a ring. Mahomes did.

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