Michael Eric Dyson blasts Cornel West: ‘You ain’t that important’

[Jhoon]

Yeah I do, I think the cultural and psychological impact of Obama>>>>>>>>> Obama's actual policies

If anybody wants to change things for real they should focus on local politicians

And if black people want to increase our political power we will have to start splitting our vote

splitting our vote where?

 

[Danie84]

Hopefully our intellectual negroes keep this war on wax, and not take it to the streets

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Is this dumb ass nikka serious?

Serious about what exactly?

 

[theworldismine13]

splitting our vote where?

between democrats, republicans and third parties

 

[Luke Cage]

this is why black people struggle to have a voice. Leaders constantly try to tear one another down. They dont seem to realize that it simply weakens us all as a whole.

This strategy worked well against native americans. "everyman a chief" essentially meant no chiefs so white people could make all the decisions for them.

Let prominent black people be prominent. Check and balance them if needed but don't tear them down. because we don't speak for ourselves other people will start speaking for us and then it'll be all bad.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

first I wanna say Dyson's "street" dialogue has gotten VERY tiring. It seems so forced and rehearsed. I can imagine him spending hours in front of the mirror at home, practicing his rants and hand movements. Chill breh...

I lost respect for West awhile ago because he seems to have no understanding of nuance. The world is not black and white, yet he constantly views Obama on that scale. I'm not here to dikk ride the president - I respect him, I think he's real smart, I like more than a few of the things he has done...but he is far from perfect, and in some ways worse than Bush/Cheney (drones, assassinating US citizens, etc).

I can't take you seriously if you want to pretend like Obama has the power to just give black people stuff. West (and Dyson) criticized the stimulus because it allegedly didn't benefit black people, yet so much of that money went into inner cities and urban states. You expect Obama to write up a stimulus specifically for black people, brehs?

West spends so much time focusing on the negatives that he never touches on the positive. And then he wants to pretend like Obama hasn't done anything to help blacks. We gonna pretend like Obamacare isn't a major benefit to blacks (and minorities in general), from the Medicaid expansion to free preventive care? We gonna pretend like Obama didn't lower the crack/cocaine sentencing disparity laws? We gonna pretend like credit card reform didn't help black people? Let's be real, Obama has done some nice things.

The black community isn't gonna go anywhere if it just sits around complaining. I see Hispanics organizing, pressuring congress, and getting shyt done. I see Asians in California making their voices heard. What are black people doing? The entire point of Obama's first run was to inspire people to organize. How come inner cities aren't organized? And don't point to Al Sharpton's snitch ass and his marches. Nobody gives a fukk about marching in 2014. Organize, take over your school boards, take over your neighborhood boards, impact local elections. That's how you change shyt, from the bottom up. You can't start at the top (Obama) and expect the laurels to trickle down. Hispanics understand this, black people don't.

Al Sharpton has done everything you suggested, from organizing from the ground up to reaching out to the "top" after organizing to complement his efforts at the bottom, and he's done what you've given Hispanics and Asians credit for, but yet you dismiss him for '"snitching" and conclude his efforts as mere marches So is isn't it safe to say you are doing exactly what you claim others are doing to the Prez? Not giving proper credit[DOUBLEPOST=1397325156][/DOUBLEPOST]

between democrats, republicans and third parties

But black folks have voted Repub, then eventually switched parties for a reason
Black folks, regardless of tax bracket, have mostly voted demo for a reason

There are hundreds of political parties, but are they any different than repubs and demos in their view towards issues that are unique to black communities? Ralph Nader, of the green party, was on record of criticizing Obama because he did not "focus on black issues," but yet he's not on record saying that towards Clinton or Bush. Same tactic used by demos and repubs, different party

So once again, it a selection of lessor evils

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

But everything cornel said about him Melissa harris perry, sharpton and Obama is true.

I was just about to say........Even tho West is coming from a place of bitterness........what he says about Obama has a lot of merit

 

[theworldismine13]

But black folks have voted Repub, then eventually switched parties for a reason
Black folks, regardless of tax bracket, have mostly voted demo for a reason

There are hundreds of political parties, but are they any different than repubs and demos in their view towards issues that are unique to black communities? Ralph Nader, of the green party, was on record of criticizing Obama because he did not "focus on black issues," but yet he's not on record saying that towards Clinton or Bush. Same tactic used by demos and repubs, different party

So once again, it a selection of lessor evils

well if any black person is looking to politics for salvation of the black race they are delusional, my suggestion is based on just a power analysis of the american political system, i think we should split the vote because of the way the system is a minority can have more influence by being less predictable, my suggestion isnt so that politicians will come and save black people or so that politicians will address black issues (whatever that is)

at the end of the day black people need to save black people and IMO we will save ourselves by focusing on education and capitalism

somebody needs to post that video with claude anderson where he breaks down that politics only matters after you have an economic base, you cant use politics to build economics, everybody needs to watch that and stop crying like bytches over politicians, politics is simply a chess piece in a vast game, its not the key to black progress

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

i fukking hate these idiots who felt obama owed the black community special attention simply because he's black. if he did that, it completely renders his presidency illegitimate, negating the importance of a black man becoming president in a nation still firmly grounded in white supremacy.

he's my President, not my black President. too many blacks are shortsighted and simple in their thinking.

with this whole post

 

[kermit da hustla]

says more about your brother than mr west to me

what does that say about my brother? he's an black man living in brooklyn and going to college down there. he said west acted like he was scared to walk past a young black dude. pretty sure that says volumes about west, who i always thought was a phony.[DOUBLEPOST=1397326645][/DOUBLEPOST]

with this whole post

what's wrong with what i said? obama doesn't owe black people anything. we need to stop asking for handouts and start heeding the words of booker t washington. it's like we can't even look at obama as a man instead of a black man. it makes his presidency a gimmick, the way black people look at him.

 

[MostReal]

Yeah I do, I think the cultural and psychological impact of Obama>>>>>>>>> Obama's actual policies

If anybody wants to change things for real they should focus on local politicians

And if black people want to increase our political power we will have to start splitting our vote

I do too, honestly I have been saying the same thing about the local game. We need a thread on that teaching the chain of command and how everything funnels down to the local government.
This is the only way Black People will see some kind of improvement for their communities. We need to get off the national tip altogether...just leave it alone.

 

[Poitier]

I do too, honestly I have been saying the same thing about the local game. We need a thread on that teaching the chain of command and how everything funnels down to the local government.
This is the only way Black People will see some kind of improvement for their communities. We need to get off the national tip altogether...just leave it alone.

start the thread

 

[MostReal]

start the thread

I don't know all of the chains, I'm just now starting to learn more about how local politics work and how much power it truly has. It really goes over our head. The faucet gets turned off at the local level...we haven't realized it yet.

I gotta do a lil more research but I know the County Administrator (appt) and Board of Supervisors (elected) play a major role on how funds are distributed.

 

[FRIED MASON]

MSNBC's Michael Eric Dyson spreads is buttcheeks for his masters on a daily basis... He ain't that important either.

 

[theworldismine13]

I do too, honestly I have been saying the same thing about the local game. We need a thread on that teaching the chain of command and how everything funnels down to the local government.
This is the only way Black People will see some kind of improvement for their communities. We need to get off the national tip altogether...just leave it alone.

yeah, that is why that thread in HL about obama betraying minorities because of some promise zone is stupid, people seem to have a hard time understanding in cases like that how local politics is just as important as national politics, so they try to blame obama for what some local politicians did