Michael Eric Dyson blasts Cornel West: ‘You ain’t that important’

[theworldismine13]

Affirmative action help to give qualified candidates [women, minorities] access to educational opportunities, career, and business opportunities. But what those qualified black folks do with this opportunity by contributing time,money,mentoring,influence to building a black economical foundation, is a different story

well when you include woman and minorities, that is one of the main reasons i dont fuk with affirmative action and that is why AA is not a black issue, trying to pile in black people with women and minorities is more a result of politics and black people not having an economic plan and economic base not because its actually a good idea

im fully aware of what the PURPOSE of AA is, that isnt the issue, the issue is how is it implemented, is it a plan to help "women and minorities" or is it an actual black economic plan, i would strongly assert AA is NOT a black economic plan, its a political plan therefore AA as its actually implemented is irrelevant to black economics

Unions access and the politics of a union is a black issue because the environment resembles the unnecessary obstacles faced by blacks seeking careers in corporate america, police, fire department, and other industries. Meaning if the obstacles were all due to the quality of the candidates and not directly/indirectly on their race, then I wouldn't factor it to be a black issue. Any person having career problems will redirect that negative energy back home

its whatever, historically unions are also dens of racism and corruption and they contribute to the decline and bankrupting of cities

if you as an american citizen have a particular view of union i respect that, but thats just your personal view, i think the issues of unions are too complex to be classified as a black issue

How were blacks splitting their votes during civil rights, when blacks were voting like 90% repubs before the dixie demo BS

Blacks and the Democratic Party

Your description of where power comes from, is inline with of your views about economics. So once again, we all need to be on the same page as to what constitute power and what are the means to get there. That is where education will come in to play, so that the 90% of stuff we agree about, won't be sacrificed because of the 10% that we slightly differ about

no prob

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

well when you include woman and minorities, that is one of the main reasons i dont fuk with affirmative action and that is why AA is not a black issue, trying to pile in black people with women and minorities is more a result of politics and black people not having an economic plan and economic base not because its actually a good idea

im fully aware of what the PURPOSE of AA is, that isnt the issue, the issue is how is it implemented, is it a plan to help "women and minorities" or is it an actual black economic plan, i would strongly assert AA is NOT a black economic plan, its a political plan therefore AA as its actually implemented is irrelevant to black economics



its whatever, historically unions are also dens of racism and corruption and they contribute to the decline and bankrupting of cities

if you as an american citizen have a particular view of union i respect that, but thats just your personal view, i think the issues of unions are too complex to be classified as a black issue



Blacks and the Democratic Party



no prob

I only included women and other minorities for completeness, but women were not apart of the original order, it had black folks as the face because black folks were not having equal access to employment, thus no foundation to build any economic plan. Now imagine if civil rights and AA was not passed, both political outcomes, there would be no foundation to build any economic plan. So that's why I feel that politics play a role before and after economical power because it helps to "equal out" the playing field

For clarity, my definition of black issues are situations that includes obstacles that exist due to black skin, black stereotype etc. So when I mention unions, I'm referencing the effects on the current structure and current power dynamics in industries where blacks were not allowed to be apart of the union, thus would not be allowed to work and gain experience through union employment. Where after a few years of experience, will allow a person to venture out on their own, to bid on contract work and employ other folks. So that entrepreneurial cycle was stripped from the black community for decades, where now, we are playing catch up in order to build a economical foundation

Props on the data about Blacks and demo party. I did not know there was such a balanced voting record for about two decades or so, after the early part of the 20th century. However, I would question the reasons and motivations of black folks who would vote for either party during the 1930's to about 1950's because there I don't recall any legislation during that period that would warrant loyalty for any party. So I suspect the motivation was based in "go along to get along" and/or "maybe if we vote this way, we might get better treatment", especially when you factor in that the demos of that period was clearly anti-black anything, so why would they vote Demo

 

[theworldismine13]

I only included women and other minorities for completeness, but women were not apart of the original order, it had black folks as the face because black folks were not having equal access to employment, thus no foundation to build any economic plan. Now imagine if civil rights and AA was not passed, both political outcomes, there would be no foundation to build any economic plan. So that's why I feel that politics play a role before and after economical power because it helps to "equal out" the playing field

what exactly are you completing by including women and minorities? i know what the purpose of affirmative action is and im saying by including women and minorities it perverted the whole point of affirmative action

i have no idea why you think AA is working or has worked for black people, i think you are caught up in the theory of affirmative action but havent actually measured its results

civil rights is important because it created a legal structure to enforce individual rights for blacks, so i agree that civil rights is important but i dont think AA is important, i think most of the benefits of AA goes to non black people and therefore its irrelevant, why would i fight for something that benefits "women and minorities"?

For clarity, my definition of black issues are situations that includes obstacles that exist due to black skin, black stereotype etc. So when I mention unions, I'm referencing the effects on the current structure and current power dynamics in industries where blacks were not allowed to be apart of the union, thus would not be allowed to work and gain experience through union employment. Where after a few years of experience, will allow a person to venture out on their own, to bid on contract work and employ other folks. So that entrepreneurial cycle was stripped from the black community for decades, where now, we are playing catch up in order to build a economical foundation

unions are unions, its not a racial issue, if blacks arent allowed into unions that makes it a civil rights issue

like i said unions are also filled with racism and corruption and they are heavily involved in the bankrupting of cities and also in stopping education reform, you cant just take the good and ignore the bad, to try to equate unions with black people is a mistake

if you support unions that's cool, but thats just you, dont try to put it so that somehow every black person has to support unions

Props on the data about Blacks and demo party. I did not know there was such a balanced voting record for about two decades or so, after the early part of the 20th century. However, I would question the reasons and motivations of black folks who would vote for either party during the 1930's to about 1950's because there I don't recall any legislation during that period that would warrant loyalty for any party. So I suspect the motivation was based in "go along to get along" and/or "maybe if we vote this way, we might get better treatment", especially when you factor in that the demos of that period was clearly anti-black anything, so why would they vote Demo

im following andersons advice and saying politics is secondary, i dont think it actually matters who or why black people vote for as for as economics is concerned but overall i think black people have reached the limit of how much political power you can get by voting democratic, i think by splitting the vote more and becoming more unpredictable it would increase black political influence

as black economics power grows its important to have hands in both parties

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

i know some of you niccas will always make excuses for barack and that's fine but i just gotta see how this guy treats his own ppl to find out his character.
when his own half brother was exposed [by the republicans] living in slums.
auntie living in public housing. shoot, auntie just recently died and i know some of you niccas seen it but mainstream media just kinda treating it like it ain't happened.

barack what the hell. i know if you're own family struggling i don't expect you do to sh1t for no nicca.

are you gonna attend auntie's funeral? where you gonna bury her.. are you gonna go to africa to pay respects..
or you still gonna worry about how rethugs gonna spin it against you.. why you worry about how cacs react.. you know they're never gonna like you're ass even if you killed the devil.. fuq it.. you are the devil..

you could kill us all me farrakhan etc. but you'll still never get no love from cacs even though you're half devil yourself.

He's a mullatoe, not black. I doubt he even considers his African family a real part of his identity. I blame Barack's dad for not instilling in him the proper morals and reverence for African culture though.

Breed with cacs then abdandon your mulatto seeds brehs...

 

[Kritic]

He's a mullatoe, not black. I doubt he even considers his African family a real part of his identity. I blame Barack's dad for not instilling in him the proper morals and reverence for African culture though.

Breed with cacs then abdandon your mulatto seeds brehs...

did i type that
looks like i snapped.

should've ended the rant with bytch nicca




when you make deal with the devil you gotta make some sacrifices

 

[Kritic]

He's a mullatoe, not black. I doubt he even considers his African family a real part of his identity. I blame Barack's dad for not instilling in him the proper morals and reverence for African culture though.

Breed with cacs then abdandon your mulatto seeds brehs...

you are right. men that grow up without fathers just have problems in their lives. i thought it was just a poor community problem but evident with a nicca like barack.
rich niccas with fathers shouldn't take them for granted.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

funny, i think the same thing every time m.e.dyson opens his obnoxious mouth.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

First Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle now these nikkaz?

Our elders are becoming an embarrassment to our community.

 

[Kritic]

First Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle now these nikkaz?

Our elders are becoming an embarrassment to our community.

just saw the cat fight on fb

 

[theworldismine13]

First Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle now these nikkaz?

Our elders are becoming an embarrassment to our community.

wait, what?

edit:

oh its fake, lol

An Aretha Franklin, Patti LaBelle fistfight?

i was about to say

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

wait, what?

edit:

oh its fake, lol

An Aretha Franklin, Patti LaBelle fistfight?

i was about to say

Yep!

just saw the cat fight on fb

I saw it on FB just like you and didn't fact check it, just read the headline and ran with it lol.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

what exactly are you completing by including women and minorities? i know what the purpose of affirmative action is and im saying by including women and minorities it perverted the whole point of affirmative action

i have no idea why you think AA is working or has worked for black people, i think you are caught up in the theory of affirmative action but havent actually measured its results

civil rights is important because it created a legal structure to enforce individual rights for blacks, so i agree that civil rights is important but i dont think AA is important, i think most of the benefits of AA goes to non black people and therefore its irrelevant, why would i fight for something that benefits "women and minorities"?

I'm completing the target "beneficiaries" of AA by including women and "minorities." White women benefit the most from AA
AA has work when qualified black folks were given opportunities that they otherwise wouldn't, whether it's 1 person or million black people. If those who are given opportunities turned in Clarence Thomas, that want to get rid of the very program that helped him get opportunities because he was a qualified black person, then that does not mean AA did not work

unions are unions, its not a racial issue, if blacks arent allowed into unions that makes it a civil rights issue

like i said unions are also filled with racism and corruption and they are heavily involved in the bankrupting of cities and also in stopping education reform, you cant just take the good and ignore the bad, to try to equate unions with black people is a mistake

if you support unions that's cool, but thats just you, dont try to put it so that somehow every black person has to support unions

Like I said before, any obstacle that exist because of black skin, black stereotype etc. is indeed a "black issue"
If black folks are not getting proper union employment for the opportunity to acquire experience, and possibly aspire to venture on their own, then there's no chance to build any economic plan. Unemployment shatters confidence, focus, perspective, and communication in most individuals
There are a lot of black folks that work in union trade jobs [HVAC, construction, electrical, plumbing, mechanical], that experience the same unnecessary BS that their non-black co-workers don't, especially when it comes to bidding for non-government contracts
The glass ceiling argument in corporate america is a black issue because it affects qualified black folks

Again, once that cycle, employment for experience to possible entrepreneurialship in the same field, is tampered with/hindered with obstacles because of black skin, black stereotype, then it automatically becomes a black issue

im following andersons advice and saying politics is secondary, i dont think it actually matters who or why black people vote for as for as economics is concerned but overall i think black people have reached the limit of how much political power you can get by voting democratic, i think by splitting the vote more and becoming more unpredictable it would increase black political influence

as black economics power grows its important to have hands in both parties

The reason why I suggested that a possible motivation for how black folks voted in those 2 decades is to hi-light what is gained or not by splitting our vote and randomly choosing who to vote for to gain individual benefit versus voting in a block for legislation that helps to "level" the playing field over all. No legislation was passed during that split vote period that history deemed to be very significant for black folks specifically. Imagine if that split vote trend continued up until the 60's, it is safe to say we will probably still be fighting for civil rights because our voting pattern wouldn't show any political party what agenda is important to us