Michael Eric Dyson blasts Cornel West: ‘You ain’t that important’

[theworldismine13]

I'll take it a step further. Without the black vote in Illinois, he doesn't become a state senator. This was his second time running for the position. The first time, he lost badly and was hurting financially as a result. That loss almost destroyed his marriage with Michelle too.

That win, the cosign of many black politicians, and thus the strong support of black voters helped him later in the US senate race and the presidential election.

And what did black voters get in return? Not much, compared to other groups (Latinos, Asians, LGBT, etc)

EDIT: I have to add however, most black voters, myself included, just didn't know the game like that. In general, we mostly thought so long as we show up to the ballot box, everything else will take care of itself.

When in reality, we didn't have the key ingredients needed to progress in America: a VERY clear agenda to present to Obama and other national and local politicians and a strong lobbying power to back that agenda. Other groups are ahead of us on that regard.

We know--or at least should know--better now. Better put it to the test soon.

i think you and a lot of people make the mistake claude anderson says, which is they put politics before economics, economics comes first not politics, you cannot build political power without an economic base

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@BocaRear wants obama to do the hard work for him.

 

[theworldismine13]

I mostly agree. But like Dr. Anderson said, politics still plays a role, if not then the billionares and the various super pacs are wasting their money to ensure their agendas have congressional support
Props on including education along with capitalism while referencing Dr. Anderson. Too many of us focus on his economics platform, while completely ignoring the importance of education [higher education, STEM, knowledge of self, systematic racism]

"Black issues" are viewed differently by black folks of different tax brackets, education, religion, etc. The way black folks view "black issues," unfortunately are not solely based in personal experience, statistics, and "facts," but instead are formed by certain levels of conditioning, fairs of being labeled militant/reverse racist, and consciously/unconsciously being a c00n

How will splitting votes help with addressing "black issues" when this divide exist? I think voting in blocks is more effective, but it demands proper education [knowledge of self, systematic racism etc] so that a clear agenda will unite and hi-light the similarities in black folks of different tax brackets, education, religion, etc

i reject the notion of there being "black issues" that need to be addressed by politicians, politics is simply about gaining influence to expand your economic power, politics isnt the key to fixing problems in the black community

but vote splitting works because right now the nation is evenly divided politically, so any political shift by a minority causes huge changes in election results,

but this only makes sense if we are simultaneously expanding our economic power, in and of itself political power means very little, technically speaking black people make up 12% of the population so even under a perfect democracy black people would only have 12% of the political power, and imo black people already have about 12% of the political power in the country, like has been said, we need to focus on local politics but the real next step is focusing on economics and education

 

[Birnin Zana]

i think you and a lot of people make the mistake claude anderson says, which is they put politics before economics, economics comes first not politics, you cannot build political power without an economic base

Then I wasn't clear as I should've been, as I agree completely with Dr. Anderson. Building a solid economic base should absolutely come first. If anything, on my edit, I expressed how we relied only the political side of things, when, clearly, its just a hollow move to make. Money talks, in the end.[DOUBLEPOST=1397413502][/DOUBLEPOST]

No sir. The My Brother's Initiative and the various flavors of the idea, was not a program recently given to the President or to just this administration and/or to just this year's black and hispanic congressional caucus, though this President may have waited for his second term to push it

You have to recall that known and unknown black men/woman have writing books, made presentations to black community leaders and members, and congressional members for years about possible solutions. The ideas have always been there from the minds of Randall Robinson to Dr. Anderson. And like the National Black Political Convention of '72 have shown, black folks made efforts to become political powers, by doing what other communities are given credit for

But just like how
-personal agenda
-fear of what other will think/do
had undermined every unsuccessful black slave revolt and undermined the efforts of the National Black Political Convention of '72 , those same reasons are at the core of why a "black agenda" can not be addressed. That's why I mention the importance of education[knowledge of self, fears, motivations, common obstacles] will help to establish a successful campaign like Powernomics and any other efforts that clearly seeks black socio-economical improvement

Fair point there. Sometimes I feel that we've pretty much exhausted the political front of things and your examples, in addition to everything that has happened since, has shown. Education (using your criteria) and especially economics have to move up in the ladder of importance, if not at the forefront.

 

[theworldismine13]

Then I wasn't clear as I should've been, as I agree completely with Dr. Anderson. Building a solid economic base should absolutely come first. If anything, on my edit, I expressed how we relied only the political side of things, when, clearly, its just a hollow move to make. Money talks, in the end.[DOUBLEPOST=1397413502][/DOUBLEPOST]

yeah but dont get me wrong, i still think we should deal with politics but i think we need to focus more on the local level rather than obama

 

[Kritic]

if you destroy an uncle tom the establishment puts another one in place and the cycle continues. so cornell west is just wasting his time going at barack and his little niccas. establishment wins. barack and these niccas will be gone in a little bit and nothing will be solved. the white ppl that take their place might even go a better job than them of what's left of the black community..

 

[Nefflum nigga]

i don't know what america you live in but they could ease up on the laws that unfairly incarcerate blacks and minorities. that ain't happening. it's only been made legal in the whitest states. i'm not even a pot head or smoke weed but i'm just talkin for the niccas that do.

@most productive president in history. that explains your rep...


i didn't think the dumbification of america was this bad where the victims of a failed system will still defend the same system designed to fail them.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

i reject the notion of there being "black issues" that need to be addressed by politicians, politics is simply about gaining influence to expand your economic power, politics isnt the key to fixing problems in the black community

but vote splitting works because right now the nation is evenly divided politically, so any political shift by a minority causes huge changes in election results,

but this only makes sense if we are simultaneously expanding our economic power, in and of itself political power means very little, technically speaking black people make up 12% of the population so even under a perfect democracy black people would only have 12% of the political power, and imo black people already have about 12% of the political power in the country, like has been said, we need to focus on local politics but the real next step is focusing on economics and education

But the 12% split of vote will not be 12% of the political power...what am I misunderstanding?
But there have been many "black issues" that were/are "addressed" by politicians, starting with the obvious civil rights, affirmative action, police brutality, education, participation in unions, many government construction/electrical/trade jobs makes it mandatory that 10% of the contract need to go to a minority company because of the decades of keeping out black folks

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Fair point there. Sometimes I feel that we've pretty much exhausted the political front of things and your examples, in addition to everything that has happened since, has shown. Education (using your criteria) and especially economics have to move up in the ladder of importance, if not at the forefront.

I agree. Economics, education, and politics are all important. I feel that we could walk and chew gum at the same time, meaning we could strive to establish all three to ensure that we are not undermining progress in one entity for the progress of another. Which we've done when it came to integration and economical independence, which has contributed to the growing wealthy imbalance

 

[theworldismine13]

But the 12% split of vote will not be 12% of the political power...what am I misunderstanding?
But there have been many "black issues" that were/are "addressed" by politicians, starting with the obvious civil rights, affirmative action, police brutality, education, participation in unions, many government construction/electrical/trade jobs makes it mandatory that 10% of the contract need to go to a minority company because of the decades of keeping out black folks

I don't believe in affirmative action and quotas and I don't see any evidence that they have caused any fundamental shift in black economics, affirmative action is again falling into the trap into thinking that politics is the key to economics, black people do not have significant enough economic interests (or the education culture in the case of aa for college) to take full advantage of affirmative action that is why black people hardly benefit from it

I don't see unions as a black issue, unions do some good things and union do some bad things

Civil rights is good, but during civil rights blacks were splitting their vote, it wasn't till post civil rights that blacks went 90 percent democratic

The power doesn't come from voting, the power comes from being unpredictable, which makes politicians think they have a chance of getting your vote or losing your vote

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Cornell attaching his name to Obama is the only way he can continue charging exorbitant prices for his speaking engagements.

 

[Bolzmark]

Thank God somebody finally put West in his place. His behavior as it pertains to his comments on Obama and others over the past few years has been disgusting at best. And I heard it come from his OWN mouth that he was disappointed about not getting enough tickets for the 2009 inauguration, which really puts everything into perspective.

 

[Kritic]

Cornell attaching his name to Obama is the only way he can continue charging exorbitant prices for his speaking engagements.

adele made millions crying about a past relationship. does she owe the nicca her career?

respec the hustle..

 

[Kritic]

i know some of you niccas will always make excuses for barack and that's fine but i just gotta see how this guy treats his own ppl to find out his character.
when his own half brother was exposed [by the republicans] living in slums.
auntie living in public housing. shoot, auntie just recently died and i know some of you niccas seen it but mainstream media just kinda treating it like it ain't happened.

barack what the hell. i know if you're own family struggling i don't expect you do to sh1t for no nicca.

are you gonna attend auntie's funeral? where you gonna bury her.. are you gonna go to africa to pay respects..
or you still gonna worry about how rethugs gonna spin it against you.. why you worry about how cacs react.. you know they're never gonna like you're ass even if you killed the devil.. fuq it.. you are the devil..

you could kill us all me farrakhan etc. but you'll still never get no love from cacs even though you're half devil yourself.

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

I don't believe in affirmative action and quotas and I don't see any evidence that they have caused any fundamental shift in black economics, affirmative action is again falling into the trap into thinking that politics is the key to economics, black people do not have significant enough economic interests (or the education culture in the case of aa for college) to take full advantage of affirmative action that is why black people hardly benefit from it

I don't see unions as a black issue, unions do some good things and union do some bad things

Civil rights is good, but during civil rights blacks were splitting their vote, it wasn't till post civil rights that blacks went 90 percent democratic

The power doesn't come from voting, the power comes from being unpredictable, which makes politicians think they have a chance of getting your vote or losing your vote

Affirmative action help to give qualified candidates [women, minorities] access to educational opportunities, career, and business opportunities. But what those qualified black folks do with this opportunity by contributing time,money,mentoring,influence to building a black economical foundation, is a different story

Unions access and the politics of a union is a black issue because the environment resembles the unnecessary obstacles faced by blacks seeking careers in corporate america, police, fire department, and other industries. Meaning if the obstacles were all due to the quality of the candidates and not directly/indirectly on their race, then I wouldn't factor it to be a black issue. Any person having career problems will redirect that negative energy back home

How were blacks splitting their votes during civil rights, when blacks were voting like 90% repubs before the dixie demo BS

Your description of where power comes from, is inline with of your views about economics. So once again, we all need to be on the same page as to what constitute power and what are the means to get there. That is where education will come in to play, so that the 90% of stuff we agree about, won't be sacrificed because of the 10% that we slightly differ about