Chinese EV giant BYD says self-driving tech is more valuable for factories than cars and Fully Autonomous Driving Is “Basically Impossible”

[Forsaken]

NO THEY AREN'T. RANGE IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR MOST. MOST PEOPLE DON'T PUT 100+ MILES A DAY ON THEIR CARS PER DAY.

CHARGING SPEED IS NOT AN ISSUE EITHER. YOU CHARGE DAILY. YOU WAKE UP TO A FULL CHARGE EVERYDAY.

THE ONLY EXCEPTIONS ARE VEHICLES THAT TOW OR VEHICLES ON ROAD TRIPS. THAT'S A 1-2 TIME A YEAR THING.

Not being a problem for you doesn't mean it's convenient for everyone else.

For those who park on the street, where are they going to charge their car overnight? Do all jobs offer charging stations? Do all apartment complexes offer charging?

They are working on solid state batteries that should help with range and charging speed.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

All this bullshyt instead of just building automated trolleys, trains, and dedicated bus lanes with more busses on the road.

You put 3 double deck busses that can hold 60 people each on them and you've taken potentially 180 cars off the road. You've calmed traffic further since cars aren't competing with busses and things like big trucks can make use of the space to complete deliveries faster and improve the supply chain.

Korea has automated trains that can hold hundreds of people, and a lot of cities still use trolleys which can hold a ton of people and are basically foolproof to drive. Automated transportation already exists but it's used primarily for mass transit with set routes. Focusing on self driving for personal vehicles is a massive waste of time and money. Cities should be focusing more on putting more mass transportation on the road and improving the overall quality of that mass transportation.

I hate that my tax dollars go to subsidizing big auto manufacturers who waste money on stupid shyt that isn't practical or necessary.

 

[YouMadd?]

those Waymo vehicles are for sure self driving around the Bay Area right now.

It will get to the point where you will be able to loan your Tesla out as a self driving taxi. Watch.

 

[YouMadd?]

Not being a problem for you doesn't mean it's convenient for everyone else.

For those who park on the street, where are they going to charge their car overnight? Do all jobs offer charging stations? Do all apartment complexes offer charging?

They are working on solid state batteries that should help with range and charging speed.

there are charging stations everywhere. if you can locate a Best Buy or a target in California then you can locate a charging stations.

If you park on the street in a major city then Access to charging stations in that particular city shouldnt be a problem.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Ethics is the main issue, they'll always be human error but what happens when your autonomous vehicle has to make the decision of either crashing into a tree and possibly killing the owner of the vehicle vs crashing into a group of pedestrian and poss killing one or more

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

It's 2023 and these companies can't get AI to realize a hand has 5 fingers.


Tesla cars are hot trash!


Mafukkas really think self driving cars will be a thing! GTFOH

Technology has been in a slump over 50 years!

 

[Json]

there are charging stations everywhere. if you can locate a Best Buy or a target in California then you can locate a charging stations.

If you park on the street in a major city then Access to charging stations in that particular city shouldnt be a problem.

Neither of those are in 90% of America.

There are only two Best Buy’s on either side of my city 40 minutes away from each other and no Target has a charging station

 

[chineebai]

Level 5 then yeah it’ll be a long long time before we see that if ever. A lot of people believed musk when he said in 2016 it’ll be ready hahaha

 

[Diondon]

LOL and Elon stans outchea getting sent to the Shadow Realm

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

Not being a problem for you doesn't mean it's convenient for everyone else.

For those who park on the street, where are they going to charge their car overnight? Do all jobs offer charging stations? Do all apartment complexes offer charging?

They are working on solid state batteries that should help with range and charging speed.

THAT'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM.

PEOPLE WHO BUY THESE CARS WORK OUT THERE HOME CHARGING. WHETHER IT BE ON THE STREET CHARGING ALLOWED BY MANAGEMENT OR PARKING LOTS/GARAGES WITH CHARGERS.

EMPLOYERS ARE OFFERING CHARGING AS NEEDED AND ARE GETTING TAX BREAKS TO DO SO.

THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BUY. THE ONLY HURDLES ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BUY.

 

[Rembrandt]

Mercedes-Benz is first to get approval to sell partially autonomous vehicles in California

Mercedes is the first company to get DMV approval.

www.theverge.com

Like I said on the first page. Mercedes got another state with their level 3 autonomous.

Allows the driver to turn his head and talk to passengers and play games on the infotainment system without fear of a ticket.

Still limited to 40 mph and certain freeways and heavy traffic.

Still a huge step

 

[bnew]

Meet the 6th-generation Waymo Driver: Optimized for costs, designed to handle more weather, and coming to riders faster than before

Waymo’s approach of designing both hardware and software from the ground up has been crucial to our success, and it continues to pay off as we introduce our sixth-generation hardware. We’ve significantly reduced the cost of our 6th-generation system while delivering even more resolution, range...

waymo.com

August 19, 2024

Meet the 6th-generation Waymo Driver: Optimized for costs, designed to handle more weather, and coming to riders faster than before​

• Technology

Satish Jeyachandran, Vice President of Engineering

Waymo’s approach of designing both hardware and software from the ground up has been crucial to our success, and it continues to pay off as we introduce our 6th-generation hardware. We’ve significantly reduced the cost of our 6th-generation system while delivering even more resolution, range, compute power, and enabling more capabilities. Today, I’m excited to share more about our next generation system and how it’s helping drive our business forward.

Our 6th-gen system builds on the unparalleled capabilities of our current, 5th-generation system, which has been instrumental to helping Waymo scale our service to some of the densest cities in the United States and improving road safety where we operate. With 13 cameras, 4 lidar, 6 radar, and an array of external audio receivers (EARs), our new sensor suite is optimized for greater performance at a significantly reduced cost, without compromising safety. It provides the Waymo Driver with overlapping fields of view, all around the vehicle, up to 500 meters away, day and night, and in a range of weather conditions.

Enabling more capabilities at a fraction of the cost

Waymo’s suite of sensors — complete with camera, lidar, and radar — works in unison to provide the Waymo Driver with complementary, overlapping views of its surroundings.

Redundancies are essential in an autonomous driving system to provide safe backup functions for assured reliability and for unexpected weather. That's why the Waymo Driver has a surround-view of the world from three complementary sensing modalities. With an enhanced camera-radar surround view and an even more capable system of lidars, our 6th-gen sensor suite can safely navigate the myriad of events it might encounter on an even larger set of road conditions.

Through advancements in sensor technology and strategic placement, we've been able to reduce the number of sensors while maintaining our safety-critical redundancies. This approach prioritizes safety while also allowing for optimizations of our autonomous driving system. Complementing this efficiency, we can swap out various sensing components to match the specific conditions of each operating environment, like adjusting sensor cleaning for vehicles in colder climates.

Operating in even harsher conditions

Our current system allows us to provide safe and reliable service to riders in the cities where we operate, even in extreme heat, fog, rain, and hail. Through regular road trips to newer cities, we've deepened our understanding of winter weather's impact on our technology and operations and applied these valuable insights directly to our 6th-generation system. For example, since our vehicles are exposed to the elements for long periods without manual intervention, we implemented preventive measures for each sensor to maintain a clear view of its surroundings whether it's driving through a buggy Texas road or operating in freezing temperatures. Complementing these protective strategies, we build significant margins into our sensor capabilities to ensure reliable performance even in adverse conditions, in turn increasing each modality's range.

Waymo’s 6th-generation system undergoing a combination of closed course testing, simulation, and public road testing.

Coming to more riders, faster

Now with six generations of hardware manufactured and integrated into thousands of vehicles, we have significant experience developing and operating fully autonomous technology at scale. To safely and swiftly integrate our next generation Driver into our fleet, we test and validate our new hardware – from the component to the system level – through a rigorous regimen of structured tests, real-world driving, and simulation.

Our 6th-generation sensor suite already has thousands of miles of real-world driving experience under its wheels and millions more in simulation. The Waymo Driver learns from the collective experiences gathered across our fleet, including previous hardware generations. This shared knowledge drastically reduces the miles needed to train and validate the underlying foundation models that autonomously drive our vehicles, accelerating and enhancing the development of each new generation of Waymo Driver. With safety as our guiding principle, our system's performance in simulation shows promising indications that we are on track to begin operating without a human behind the wheel in about half the time.

Many folks have already seen our 6th-generation hardware suite in action on public roads as part of our testing process. As we continue preparing our latest Driver to serve riders, stay close with us on social where we’ll bring you updates throughout the development process. In the meantime, if you're eager to experience the future, today, the Waymo Driver is only a few taps away in the Waymo One app.
today, the Waymo Driver is only a few taps away in the Waymo One app.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

All this bullshyt instead of just building automated trolleys, trains, and dedicated bus lanes with more busses on the road.

You put 3 double deck busses that can hold 60 people each on them and you've taken potentially 180 cars off the road. You've calmed traffic further since cars aren't competing with busses and things like big trucks can make use of the space to complete deliveries faster and improve the supply chain.

Korea has automated trains that can hold hundreds of people, and a lot of cities still use trolleys which can hold a ton of people and are basically foolproof to drive. Automated transportation already exists but it's used primarily for mass transit with set routes. Focusing on self driving for personal vehicles is a massive waste of time and money. Cities should be focusing more on putting more mass transportation on the road and improving the overall quality of that mass transportation.

I hate that my tax dollars go to subsidizing big auto manufacturers who waste money on stupid shyt that isn't practical or necessary.

soon as they start construction people will be bytching plus this also depends on where you live. North America has a driving culture and elitist set in most cities still where using public transit is viewed as a sign of poverty. self importance is huge. the status of a car. selflessness is not. when you live in modern metropolitan cities the reality of driving being a chore forces most people to adapt to a hybrid or transit based transportation mode. you are right though they should be more focused on volume and reducing traffic.

 

[Vandelay]

It will be a long time before it becomes mainstream...however I can see trucking companies automating OTR driving and local human drivers take over from whatever regional hub they have. There's less variation on highways.

There's just too many variables when interacting with human drivers. The reason why it works in factories is, factories are starting to have less and less people in them, zones you can't walk into, and they can work 24/7 or off hours. You can't do that in real life.

• What if someone is driving like a deliberate moron, like most BMW owners?
• How do you account for drunk driver behavior?
• What do you if the driver has some distraction in the car; texting, rowdy kids, nagging wife.
• Reactions to unusual road conditions, weather, potholes, etc.
• And worst of all if someone deliberately wants to crash or cause a crash.

There's too much nuance as we ALL react differently in each one of these circumstances. And while the safety record would probably be much improved, the PR response would be devastating.

 

[Apollo Creed]

It will be a long time before it becomes mainstream...however I can see trucking companies automating OTR driving and local human drivers take over from whatever regional hub they have. There's less variation on highways.

There's just too many variables when interacting with human drivers. The reason why it works in factories is, factories are starting to have less and less people in them, zones you can't walk into, and they can work 24/7 or off hours. You can't do that in real life.

• What if someone is driving like a deliberate moron, like most BMW owners?
• How do you account for drunk driver behavior?
• What do you if the driver has some distraction in the car; texting, rowdy kids, nagging wife.
• Reactions to unusual road conditions, weather, potholes, etc.
• And worst of all if someone deliberately wants to crash or cause a crash.

There's too much nuance as we ALL react differently in each one of these circumstances. And while the safety record would probably be much improved, the PR response would be devastating.

Fully autonomous isn't practical unless ALL VEHICLES on the road are self driving and the roads act more as just a "Metro system" for the network of autonomous vehicles. But mix matching self driving and humans is just not pragmatic imo