At What Point Did Being A 'New York Rapper' Stop Carrying Weight?

[Wild self]

I dunno...prolly around 05/06....coincidentally around the same time that the quality of hip hop fell off a cliff.

Around the same time where strip club culture became popular too. back then, nikkas had to go down south to see the great black strip clubs and booty models. After 05/06, with the fake asses becoming popular and the southern influenced "trap" lifestyle was more alluring than the dirty street based lifestyle, was when the south took over and the NY rapper became a joke to his peers around US of A.

 

[Wild self]

It happen around 05-06 with the south's prominent take over.

When club and car riding music dictated what's popular.

D4L crushed buildings...
They do not get the proper respect that they deserve.

It also didn't help that all of east coast were beefing with east coast. You had NYC vs. Philly and etc

50 Cent and Jay-Z are the ringleaders in making NYC rap scene what it is today. They beefed with everybody.

NaS not living up to his hype.

Puffy and Jay-Z with its Jiggy/Bling-bling/I have more money than you era.

When The Diplomats broke up,
That's when I knew the NY's Hip-Hop scene was done and over with.

Also, there's only so many times a thug can rap about his desert eagle.

A lot of NYC rappers could not get out their old grimey rap ways.

East coast did not fall off during the West coast reign.

The east still made millions and still had a dictated grip on what was popular in the culture back in the 90's.

West Coast held their own and I give them props and respect because they deserve it.

Sad that the East Coast shytted in the West every chance they got back in the 90's but they are now reduced to making Southern style songs.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

My thoughts exactly. When the older east coast rappers still obsessed with being "hard" instead of having a good time in the club with bytches in it, was when everyone moved away from that lifestyle. When 808s overthrew boom bap sound and replaced it with the car based culture, was when NY rappers couldn't keep up. On top of the youth wanting to be "swagged out" than being "gangsta" also made the likes of State Property/ LOX/ Terror Squad type groups as

 

[Wild self]

^^^This right here...

After 2004 is pretty much where all that lost its power. Up to that point, you still had G-Unit, Dipset, and D-Block going strong and having a street presence. All three of those entities started losing relevance and/or splitting apart. Then you factor in Jay being inactive, Fat Joe losing momentum and really starting to hop on the Southern bandwagon, people like Nas and Mobb starting to become viewed as the "old guard"... etc. A lot of that happened at the same time, while the South was starting to really pump out numerous stars around the same time.

Excessive beefing killed the old NY guard and killed the momentum. When Jay retired back in the end of 2003, I knew that if no real NY artist had the appeal of Jigga or the lyrical dexterity of Nas "Stillmatic Era" steeze, NY would be underfire. Sure enough, in 2004, was when the old NY guard (punchlines and all) made their last stand. Nas, Ghostface, Method Man, Cam, Jim Jones, Cormega, Banks, Jadakiss, Mobb Deep, and others dropped underwhelming efforts and made the south take over.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Once hot 97 because a syndicated radio station

Once 50 cent started rapping like a southerner.

 

[TheLoneRanger]

Around 05 - 06 when it went underground and people decided they liked dance music better

 

[Wild self]

around the same time (04-06) this all happened

jay escalated to illuminati/national act
dips started letting people besides heatmakerz do their tracks
dips let the c-team rock while the a-team like cam disappeared and juelz does whatever juelz been doing for 10years (nintendo and folding his bandana)
x went on his crack binge era
after 50 killed ja, 50 started rapping like ja
mobb deep dropped a doodoo album
rise of "mixtape weezy" and t.i. (ppl forget TI was the biggest rapper in the world in 2006)
kanye made being fashionable and sensitive more important than being a thug with BARS
original producers like toomp and storch started making 5-star beats which made sampling even less appealing (already too expensive)
Lil Jon captivated white people's hearts
nas lost interest when his mom died
street dvd's and mixtapes lost their power when the internet went hood


combine all that and it was for NYC


edit: also no new real stars. Lloyd Banks was probably the last new guy from NYC to blow up. The South got new stars every year

Another great response

 

[Wild self]

at what point did nerds/hermits/weirdos become the prominent voice concerning all hip hop related issues via the internet???

i'd say at around that time period is when shyt changed for the worse, all around the board

Nah, the internet merely exposed thing on how they really are.

 

[LunaticVillage415]

NY stopped carrying weight when NY nikkas od'd on that Blood/Crip shyt and started rapping over Down South beats. Basically, when NY started letting other regions influence they game.

 

[RugbyCardigan]

Mid 000's

 

[NvrCMyNut]

real talk tho, NY rappers still hold weight, people around the country especially all up the eastcoast & midwest will always look to NY whether they admit it or not. If someone like YG came outta NY he would be bigger in hiphop by default than he is currently as an L.A nikka. Same goes for Tyga, he would probably be as big as Asap Rocky if he were from Harlem.

 

[mson]

THIS GUY STILL HOLDS WEIGHT

QUEENS NY

 

[Will Ross]

Other regions developed pride in their cities.

 

[Wild self]

Other regions developed pride in their cities.

David Banner spoke about it back in the day. How he used to be ashamed of where he was from.

 

[bogey_j]

David Banner spoke about it back in the day. How he used to be ashamed of where he was from.

so southern cities had an inferiority complex when it came to new york?

I can't imagine californians being the same way though; they're just as prideful in their cities as new yorkers are

 

[AMcV'88]

Another non NYer talking out of his ass. What NY rapper refused to work with an out of town nikka? Big n Pac toured together before the beef started, and Big had all types of non NY dudes on his second album. Mase had MJG & 8 Ball on his first album. Nas had Dre on his second album. Jay worked with a lot of non NY rappers in the 90s. Rae worked with Outkast. 50 had all types of out of towners on his first album and he signed a few too. Etc etc. So what NY rapper refused to work with a non NY rapper? This is one of the goofiest lies ever perpetuated in hip hop. NY has always had love for all regions and we have the track record to prove it. Likewise there's plenty of shade that has been thrown NY's way for no other reason than NYC being the epicenter. fukk outta hea

i never said they refused to worked with them...we all know theres been great collabs between NY artists from other regions in the 90's plus i mentioned Dipset openness to help work with artists from other regions to the tri-state below in the post.

i'm saying back then rappers could tend to be more selective in who they worked with compared now when rappers may do it with the latest flash in the pan rapper because could profit them in a way..that goes across the board no matter where your from, but i used it as the example.