At What Point Did Being A 'New York Rapper' Stop Carrying Weight?

[murksiderock]

Til this day, who does Toronto have besides Drake? Drake is more known as a Jewish rapper than a Toronto rapper.

Nah I think he opened up the door for Toronto, Tory Lanez came from there too. His success put eyes on Toronto as a market mf's started paying attention too...

Where I do agree is that NY influence had already been waning for years prior to that. But it still mattered that 50 was a NY superstar, I remember some dialog in rags like XXL at the time that still gave a fukk about NY, even as the South was ascending fast....

To me, when the hottest "new rapper" wasn't even American, it completely ended the relevancy of being from NY. I think also because the Canadian was discovered in Houston or by Houston dudes, this was on top of the South already running by NY, it sorta put in stone that nikkas didn't need NY co-signs anymore...

 

[EastsideRio]

Nah I think he opened up the door for Toronto, Tory Lanez came from there too. His success put eyes on Toronto as a market mf's started paying attention too...

Where I do agree is that NY influence had already been waning for years prior to that. But it still mattered that 50 was a NY superstar, I remember some dialog in rags like XXL at the time that still gave a fukk about NY, even as the South was ascending fast....

To me, when the hottest "new rapper" wasn't even American, it completely ended the relevancy of being from NY. I think also because the Canadian was discovered in Houston or by Houston dudes, this was on top of the South already running by NY, it sorta put in stone that nikkas didn't need NY co-signs anymore...

Opening the door and having someone walk through it after are two different things. Nobody outside of Drake (and Tory) have came out of Toronto in Mainstream rap.

Drake has done nothing for their rap scene to take Toronto rap artists to the next level.

 

[murksiderock]

Opening the door and having someone walk through it after are two different things. Nobody outside of Drake (and Tory) have came out of Toronto in Mainstream rap.

Drake has done nothing for their rap scene to take Toronto rap artists to the next level.

I disagree, he's given them visibility in a way they never had before, even though there were Toronto rappers with buzz before him (Snow, Kardinal Offishal). Similar to how Nelly put a light on St Louis; Em a light on Detroit; these are non-traditional hip hop markets who just needed one guy to kick the door in and reveal the talent working there...

I'm not even an arduous studier of hip hop, post late 2010s, but anyone even semi-paying attention to hip hop over the last dozen years knows Toronto has a buzz it never had before. Drake and Tory may be the only superstars to pop from there but there's been other names with buzz here and there and that's because the industry recognized it as an untapped market...

So my argument is, NY was declining in relevancy for years, as far back as 2Pac's rise as the biggest rapper in the sport (as a native NY'er who didn't rep for NY, no less)--->but when a non-American came thru with major rookie buzz on trajectory to biggest rapper in the game, it officially deaded any importance being a NY rapper had. So we get to where we are now, where if a guy from NY is hot, it's acknowledged---->but there is no esteem attached to him being hot just because he's from NY...

 

[EastsideRio]

I disagree, he's given them visibility in a way they never had before, even though there were Toronto rappers with buzz before him (Snow, Kardinal Offishal). Similar to how Nelly put a light on St Louis; Em a light on Detroit; these are non-traditional hip hop markets who just needed one guy to kick the door in and reveal the talent working there...

I'm not even an arduous studier of hip hop, post late 2010s, but anyone even semi-paying attention to hip hop over the last dozen years knows Toronto has a buzz it never had before. Drake and Tory may be the only superstars to pop from there but there's been other names with buzz here and there and that's because the industry recognized it as an untapped market...

So my argument is, NY was declining in relevancy for years, as far back as 2Pac's rise as the biggest rapper in the sport (as a native NY'er who didn't rep for NY, no less)--->but when a non-American came thru with major rookie buzz on trajectory to biggest rapper in the game, it officially deaded any importance being a NY rapper had. So we get to where we are now, where if a guy from NY is hot, it's acknowledged---->but there is no esteem attached to him being hot just because he's from NY...

You’re missing the topic. Drake shined a light on Toronto but since then no rapper has stepped through that door (besides Tory).

And Em did not shine the light on Detroit, Esham did.

 

[Lord Beasley]

Young Thug and others were on that feminine wave and all came under Gucci Mane's influence.

moreso under wayne's influence. him and RHQ were more influenced by weezy than gucci

 

[Collateral]

Rocky n French the last true NY RAPPERs. Everything else since then aint up to par. These young boys are doing shyt like this. These are the last mainstream NY rappers to really live that NY rapper shyt

Pop Smoke, Fivio, Dave East, A Boogie, Young Ma, Rowdy Rebel don’t exist?

 

[Mac Ten]

Once 2005 came, more cats started bumping more southern music...



Nowadays, Mims would be more appreciated. Chicken Noodle Soup would have fit more in the Swag era.


Regionalism is dead Nowadays because music is more accessible.

 

[Mac Ten]

The fall of Dipset and 50 losing to Kanye back in 2007.

Kanye did kinda help the game but hurt it too..

It was good that rap listeners could relate to the rappers but rappers started becoming ghey and fakkity actin.

-Kanye acting like a emotional hoe on TV and then marrying a slore that had her holes filled by Ray J, Lil B wearing a dress, Lil Wayne wearing some Leopard Jeggings,

- Cats were wearing tight clothing rather than baggy clothing.
It wasn't a lot of Urban brands like that anymore. They abandoned Fubu, Kari Kani, Parish Nation, Akademiks, and many others for Gucci ND Versace ND Hermes. Nikkaz were buying big azz murses.


Say what yall want about 50 but he actually kept the legacy of Pac by displaying Alpha Energy.. Even Pac wasn't down with that foggy stuff in the game. Think about it.

50 is doin what Pac wanted to do if he survived the 90s...making movies for the people.


Dipset dying didn't help either. Jim shouldn't have let 50 divide and conquer like that.

I'd blame that on Jim versus 50. You don't take sides against the fam ever which is why Yayo and Banks always stayed in like.

 

[Fresh]

being a New York rapper stopped carrying weight when the South took over


It fix me up too because most New York rappers took pride in being great lyricist, but the South focused on having hot beats while rapping simple ABC rhymes

and I'm not talking about Lil Wayne or Andre 3000 because they can spit, just saying that before someone brings them up

I ain't a hater though and I have nothing negative to say about the South

 

[Yecht]

Rocky n French the last true NY RAPPERs. Everything else since then aint up to par. These young boys are doing shyt like this. These are the last mainstream NY rappers to really live that NY rapper shyt

And they are both ass juice. The final nail in the NYC coffin tbh

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Yeah I'd say somewhere around the mid-aughts like people have mentioned already...I've always said that the whole "nyc rap fell off" thing was really just about new york sensibilities not having sway on rap orthodoxy by pretty much default anymore...the rise of the internet pretty much eliminated the last remnants of new york bias really dictating the culture to any significant extent... the old guard new york based rap media outlets (print magazines, the radio and outdated label a&r model) saw their voices diminished...people from anywhere could be exposed to and keep up with every little local scene all across the world in real time, so every rapper (and every local scene as a whole) is competing with not just the rappers in their town but with everybody across the country...it became a cultural free market...at that point, being from new york didn't mean much of anything in and of itself...became just another of any number of local scenes...i think new york, from the rappers to the djs to the fans, had grown so accosstomed to what amounted to institutional advantages afforded to new york rap that they were kinda shell shocked when forced to compete on equal footing...hence the whole "what happened to nyc rap the sky is falling, hip hop is dead" sh!t the last how many ever years

still this

Especially the bit about how the internet eroded the implicit privilege being from NYC provided…NYC based gatekeepers lost their influence and for the first time NYC rappers were forced to compete in a cultural free market of sorts

 

[Wild self]

Kanye did kinda help the game but hurt it too..

It was good that rap listeners could relate to the rappers but rappers started becoming ghey and fakkity actin.

-Kanye acting like a emotional hoe on TV and then marrying a slore that had her holes filled by Ray J, Lil B wearing a dress, Lil Wayne wearing some Leopard Jeggings,

- Cats were wearing tight clothing rather than baggy clothing.
It wasn't a lot of Urban brands like that anymore. They abandoned Fubu, Kari Kani, Parish Nation, Akademiks, and many others for Gucci ND Versace ND Hermes. Nikkaz were buying big azz murses.


Say what yall want about 50 but he actually kept the legacy of Pac by displaying Alpha Energy.. Even Pac wasn't down with that foggy stuff in the game. Think about it.

50 is doin what Pac wanted to do if he survived the 90s...making movies for the people.


Dipset dying didn't help either. Jim shouldn't have let 50 divide and conquer like that.

I'd blame that on Jim versus 50. You don't take sides against the fam ever which is why Yayo and Banks always stayed in like.

Jim Jones killed baggy clothing and even bragged about it numerous times on mixtapes.

Members of Dipset were walking up and down on Fordham Road in the BX and 3rd Ave, basically G checking retailers to STOP selling baggy pants and shirts (especially from Rocawear )

 

[Playaz Eyez]

moreso under wayne's influence. him and RHQ were more influenced by weezy than gucci

They’re definitely garbage rockstar and leaned out mumbling Wayne influenced

 

[Wild self]

Once 2005 came, more cats started bumping more southern music...



Nowadays, Mims would be more appreciated. Chicken Noodle Soup would have fit more in the Swag era.


Regionalism is dead Nowadays because music is more accessible.

Young Jeezy said he the King of NY when the King of NY mattered, and no one pushed him back. I knew then that those trap beats would make boom bap beats extinct.

 

[SteelCitySoldier]

When the internet took over is when it happened and this isn’t just for NY rappers, it’s for EVERYONE. East Coast/West Coast beef had muthafukas thinking forever that it was only rappers in those particular parts of the country. Once the internet blew up and this music was heard everywhere and at anyone’s fingertips that shyt went from being regional to accessible to everyone and then it went from being about a region ie. NY rapper to just simply being a Rapper. That region and territory shyt went out the window and it went to being “oh he can spit” and then someone would follow up like “yo you know he from Chicago” and the response would be “for real…I ain’t know nikkaz from Chicago spit like that” and nikkaz would keep listening regardless. Internet did that shyt