At What Point Did Being A 'New York Rapper' Stop Carrying Weight?
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intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
I'd say about 1975...
When Camron got punched by Tru Dyke 
I was a die hard Dipset stan... but when that happened... I knew...
I was a die hard Dipset stan... but when that happened... I knew...
TheYoungPolitician
Keepin It 3Hunna, Fam
MIMS!
The moment a rapper from New York--the mecca of Hip-Hop, where lyrics is so important--sold a million saying nothing on the track.
The moment a rapper from New York--the mecca of Hip-Hop, where lyrics is so important--sold a million saying nothing on the track.
NY rap hasn't been at the forefront as far as trendsetting and introducing new, original & unique concepts in hip-hop since the mid-80's LL Cool J/Run-DMC/Big Daddy Kane/Public Enemy/Eric B & Rakim/Krs-One era.
Yung Yogurt
Culo Season
When the dipset movement died I stopped looking at nyc the same and right around that time I took a trip up there and was in BK (williamsburg to be exact) every male specimen that I observed seemed to be packing fudge or softer than tulips. I'm sure they still get grimey in some areas but i'm no longer amazed at nyc
When Camron got punched by Tru Dyke
I was a die hard Dipset stan... but when that happened... I knew...
blame jay for that
intilectual recipricol
Killin fake hip hop
you think it was earlier?
BasedPrime
Xbox Woe
After Biggie died
Jone2three45
Supporter
It happen around 05-06 with the south's prominent take over.
When club and car riding music dictated what's popular.
D4L crushed buildings...
They do not get the proper respect that they deserve.
It also didn't help that all of east coast were beefing with east coast. You had NYC vs. Philly and etc
50 Cent and Jay-Z are the ringleaders in making NYC rap scene what it is today. They beefed with everybody.
NaS not living up to his hype.
Puffy and Jay-Z with its Jiggy/Bling-bling/I have more money than you era.
When The Diplomats broke up,
That's when I knew the NY's Hip-Hop scene was done and over with.
Also, there's only so many times a thug can rap about his desert eagle.
A lot of NYC rappers could not get out their old grimey rap ways.
East coast did not fall off during the West coast reign.
The east still made millions and still had a dictated grip on what was popular in the culture back in the 90's.
West Coast held their own and I give them props and respect because they deserve it.
Sad that the East Coast shytted in the West every chance they got back in the 90's but they are now reduced to making Southern style songs.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
When club and car riding music dictated what's popular.
D4L crushed buildings...
They do not get the proper respect that they deserve.
It also didn't help that all of east coast were beefing with east coast. You had NYC vs. Philly and etc
50 Cent and Jay-Z are the ringleaders in making NYC rap scene what it is today. They beefed with everybody.
NaS not living up to his hype.
Puffy and Jay-Z with its Jiggy/Bling-bling/I have more money than you era.
When The Diplomats broke up,
That's when I knew the NY's Hip-Hop scene was done and over with.
Also, there's only so many times a thug can rap about his desert eagle.
A lot of NYC rappers could not get out their old grimey rap ways.
East coast did not fall off during the West coast reign.
The east still made millions and still had a dictated grip on what was popular in the culture back in the 90's.
West Coast held their own and I give them props and respect because they deserve it.
Sad that the East Coast shytted in the West every chance they got back in the 90's but they are now reduced to making Southern style songs.
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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I think that was the same year KC dropped. Jay also broke up NYC's last rap dynasty. Maybe youre right
depends on how you look at it.
it won't ever really go away because a southern dude on the come up if they get a chance to do a joint with a well liked rapper from up top they'll be happy but at the same time these NY guys used to picky and would tell them nah, but now they see someone buzzing they'll hop on it regardless because it's exposure down south for them.
plus, think of the plethora of NY rappers back in the mixtape days of 02 to 05.
when these guys could put out a few fire freestyles raw over other peoples beats and do a hood video on SMACK it was all good, they got attention and people waiting to see what they could do but when the mixtape game slowly started to change and the more the original material had to come they couldn't keep up and only a few survived.
you think those on the corner NY rappers/hustlers would have given you a full mixtape of original material that they paid to make out of there pocket for free in say..04 ? they would have looked at you crazy and felt insulted.
it was easier in that regard from a Southern rapper from the trap to give away a full tape of original material because all they had to do was get a 15 hard beats from up and coming producers and rap about dealing in your own way with joints that would bang in strip club which would help them move units independently out their car in the parking lot of the strip club..more was expected from an up north guy..they were asked to be more well rounded and the lack of a Tunnel etc for them really showcase and test their sounds.
feel like i'm just rambling now but i'll say definitely when they started getting out hustled, outworked by southerners..who realized in this day and age along with the internet they don't need that NYC co-sign and when they mixtape game started to change along with lack of a real main hip-hop club in NY.
most new rappers would bite your hand off for a feature from Jay or Cam though.
yet at the same time he was claiming himself as honorary member of a NY rap crew in Dipset.
the same dudes that helped put the tri-state onto rappers such as Lil Flip, T.I., Young Jeezy (they planned to an album or mixtape before Juelz & Weezy if i remember right.) when they were on their come up.
it won't ever really go away because a southern dude on the come up if they get a chance to do a joint with a well liked rapper from up top they'll be happy but at the same time these NY guys used to picky and would tell them nah, but now they see someone buzzing they'll hop on it regardless because it's exposure down south for them.
plus, think of the plethora of NY rappers back in the mixtape days of 02 to 05.
when these guys could put out a few fire freestyles raw over other peoples beats and do a hood video on SMACK it was all good, they got attention and people waiting to see what they could do but when the mixtape game slowly started to change and the more the original material had to come they couldn't keep up and only a few survived.
you think those on the corner NY rappers/hustlers would have given you a full mixtape of original material that they paid to make out of there pocket for free in say..04 ? they would have looked at you crazy and felt insulted.
it was easier in that regard from a Southern rapper from the trap to give away a full tape of original material because all they had to do was get a 15 hard beats from up and coming producers and rap about dealing in your own way with joints that would bang in strip club which would help them move units independently out their car in the parking lot of the strip club..more was expected from an up north guy..they were asked to be more well rounded and the lack of a Tunnel etc for them really showcase and test their sounds.
feel like i'm just rambling now but i'll say definitely when they started getting out hustled, outworked by southerners..who realized in this day and age along with the internet they don't need that NYC co-sign and when they mixtape game started to change along with lack of a real main hip-hop club in NY.
most new rappers would bite your hand off for a feature from Jay or Cam though.
yet at the same time he was claiming himself as honorary member of a NY rap crew in Dipset.
the same dudes that helped put the tri-state onto rappers such as Lil Flip, T.I., Young Jeezy (they planned to an album or mixtape before Juelz & Weezy if i remember right.) when they were on their come up.