Exactly .why is pardon arguing this ? People aren't so rigidly defined for every player anymore but a lot of players Roles fall into what we would label positions
Why hasn't a shooting guard ever been drafted 1st overall in the NBA?
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Exactly .why is pardon arguing this ? People aren't so rigidly defined for every player anymore but a lot of players Roles fall into what we would label positions
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What exactly are you trying to say?
Please explain that first sentence.what exactly did AI bring to the table that was so different then what Payton could do?
And what was the point of saying Payton average is only 1 point higher then Stocktons(you are wrong by the way,Stocks career average is 13)
I hope you not trying to imply glove was more of a pass first PG
Payton averaged over 20 eight times and 19 another 3 times,Stockton never averaged over 17
"during Paytons best scoring years the Sonics were a meh team" and? What's your point?
Is it his fault there was no Kemp,Schremph,McMillian,Perkins,Wingate,Hawkins etc around when he was in his prime?
I'm mean what was the point of you even saying that?
Create whatever argument you want out of what I said that fits your need
They were around when he was in his prime, pre lockout. He wasnt in his prime when he made it to the NBA championship?
You're going to ask me what Iverson brought to the table differently than Payton, REALLY, come on watch basketball.
There roles on the court couldn't be anymore different. Explain your point that they're the same in this respect.
And when you have a meh team around you, and your the star player and your team his trash, u may score a little more. No its not his fault its just the reality of the situation.
A whole 3 points more over his career than stockton Also by the way it over 20, 7 times, you dont count when he swtiched teams mid season as another season and 19, 2times. So your wrong on those counts.
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He was labeled as a point guard cause at the time it was thought that someone his size couldnt play the SG position and he wouldnt be able to get his shot off. They thought he'd be an Isiah type of player but he was too much of a score first player to make that happen. He was always a score first guard even at GT and NBA scouts thought that his size might limit him at the next level at the SG position but his strength was never at the PG position where he controlled the flow of the offense, he was the offense. And again the position and styles of offensives are constantly evolving to fit elite players strengths that nice neat categories arent really a reality.
whos hatin on the sonics in here 
took the 72 win bulls to 6.
took the 72 win bulls to 6.
Suprised that a true shooting guard has never been drafted number one. As for the Iverson talk, he was drafted as a point guard. They already had Stack who was coming off a monster rookie campaign and i think Clarence Weatherspoon was their small forward with Derrick Coleman at power forward or center. Still remember because he was the shortest number one pick ever and he was definitely drafted as a point. And OJ Mayo wouldn't have been the number one pick out of high school either. By his senior year Derrick Rose and Eric Gordon were just as good high school prospects. As well as Michael Beasley.
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He was a PG, b. Stackhouse was at the 2, Weatherspoon was at the 3. Not all PG's have the same responsibilities. But he was still the PG.
This is the dumbest shyt I've ever heard.
I remember news reports about Philly moving him to the 2. They brought in Eric Snow from Seattle to run the point. His role changed then and he played off the ball more. But as a rookie. He was a PG. Period.
whos hatin on the sonics in here
took the 72 win bulls to 6.
bulls were up 3-0 and mike point shaved in games 4 and 5
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He was a PG, b. Stackhouse was at the 2, Weatherspoon was at the 3. Not all PG's have the same responsibilities. But he was still the PG.
This is the dumbest shyt I've ever heard.
I remember news reports about Philly moving him to the 2. They brought in Eric Snow from Seattle to run the point. His role changed then and he played off the ball more. But as a rookie. He was a PG. Period.
I could say could say the same about your bs logic
Iverson was the best player by far in that draft, sixers wouldve been killed if they traded or drafted some else with the pick, why would they not draft iverson even if they they already had stack? They were gonna try and make it work
They had him "play" PG cause stack was already at the SG position and the sixers wanted to have them both on the court at the same time, who wouldnt? shyt didnt work out though remember and stack was traded midway thru iversons second year cause they both couldnt be the offense. THEN they brought in snow and moved iverson. Just cause Magic played at center dont make him that.
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Magic played center for one game, breh.
They could have traded Stack. No one would have criticized them for taking Camby.
Give it up. This is utterly ridiculous. Iverson was a PG.
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Magic played center for one game, breh.
They could have traded Stack. No one would have criticized them for taking Camby.
Give it up. This is utterly ridiculous. Iverson was a PG.
Really i did not know magic played center for one game, thanks for letting me know. To quote the big O, "You makin my point"
Just cause you say its ridiculous doesnt make it ridiculous. Your shaming tactics are something a bytch would try to pull when they cant formulate and argument.
How old are you? Iverson was by far the best player in the draft, camby was a very good defense player but his offensive skills were raw. Iverson was way more of a sure thing going into the draft to even take a chance on camby. And philly fans would have killed the team if they didnt draft iverson. Thats a fukkin fact
They didnt trade stack cause they wanted to try and make it work with Stack. He put up 19 ppg in his rookie year why the fukk would they trade him, now thats fukking ridiculous. then they tried with larry hughes and same result.
There you go, your logic
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Iverson was not the consensus #1 pick that year. Camby was the player of the year and 6-11. I remember people saying he was scared to come out in 97 because of Duncan and Camby said it didn't matter because he would go #1 in either draft. I remember it like it was yesterday. 1996 offseason was the most memorable until 2010. Shaq went to the Lakers and Jordan signed for $30 mil. There were rumors that he might go to the Knicks (probably started by Knick fans).
In your last paragraph you admit he was drafted as a PG yet you're still arguing. You said they were happy with Stack at the 2 (which they were) so obviously they were bringing in Iverson to play 1.
Yes, guy, your argument is ridiculous. This is beyond ridiculous. This is just dumb.
Everyone knows Allen Iverson was a PG who got moved to the 2.
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Source for this and again how old are you???
What does his even mean, its not even coherent?
Who was scared? Iverson? Camby? Who?
Iverson left and was drafted #1, not camby so this doesnt really make any sense (Just cause camby said it, hahahhahaha) and Duncan came out the year after. Iverson left early cause he was going to be the number one pick and make $$$$$. So what he was player of the year in college, he was an integral part of the 31-1 95-96 umass team in college, but he wasnt the best nba prospect coming out.
Philly never even entertained the thought of drafting anyone other than iverson, or show proof otherwise.
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You're asking for a source from 16 years ago, before the internet was even popping like that?
Point is, Iverson was NOT the consensus #1 pick.
This is the dumbest shyt ever. EVERYONE knows AI was a PG. You've even admitted AI was a PG. And you're still arguing that he wasn't?
You're a clown, guy and I'm not wasting another second on you.
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Shaq and jordan have nothing to do with this. Damn u backpedalin now. Anyone with google can look this up. And jordan was not going to the knicks please stop. Please now your making yourself look foolish. WHy even mention Jordan to the Knicks, it has no bearing on the argument and only makes you look like you were sucking on your moms tit in 96. Source?