Who was that breh that kept saying...

[Black Magisterialness]

The bejeweled market and the switch market are two very different markets.

The fact that grandmas are playing a couple games on their phones does not diminish the console market.

Yeah, it does because those grandmas have grandkids who are growing up where their first interaction with games is in the tablet/mobile platform. The industry already HAS been impacted. You are ignoring the fact that majority of the world can't afford consoles, but damn near everyone has or can have a phone. Once when get to a point where graphical fidelity is good enough, mobile games will be just as compelling as console ones and by that time, the generation that grew up playing mobile games will be in the prime money spending demographic (18-24).

I used that example to demonstrate the platform's widespread accessibility.

I'm not saying consoles are going anywhere because they aren't. But If you think that the handheld market isn't going to be swallowed up by mobile you kidding yourself. It was already a one horse town in the first place (Nintendo) and now with the Switch they are saying "Hey, we can give you a handheld experience AND a console experience."

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yeah, it does because those grandmas have grandkids who are growing up where their first interaction with games is in the tablet/mobile platform. The industry already HAS been impacted. You are ignoring the fact that majority of the world can't afford consoles, but damn near everyone has or can have a phone. Once when get to a point where graphical fidelity is good enough, mobile games will be just as compelling as console ones and by that time, the generation that grew up playing mobile games will be in the prime money spending demographic (18-24).

People been saying this for years and consoles keep selling more.

The market for candy crush and call of duty will forever remain separate, and it has nothing to do with graphics.

I'm not saying consoles are going anywhere because they aren't. But If you think that the handheld market isn't going to be swallowed up by mobile you kidding yourself. It was already a one horse town in the first place (Nintendo) and now with the Switch they are saying "Hey, we can give you a handheld experience AND a console experience."

there is no "handheld" market. That's just Nintendo. And that Market is still very different from the grandma candy crush market.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

People been saying this for years and consoles keep selling more.

The market for candy crush and call of duty will forever remain separate, and it has nothing to do with graphics.


there is no "handheld" market. That's just Nintendo. And that Market is still very different from the grandma candy crush market.

1. Yeah, it does. That's part of why it's not seen as legitimate yet...along with control schemes. The drop an exclusive Final Fantasy or Mass Effect for a phone, make it compelling, make it look good and make it control well...it will sell...period. You can casually ignore 40 BILLION in sales for the mobile market if you want to...the market already spoke, contrary to your sentiments. Mobile games haver over taken PC games in revenue....you really think the industry doesn't know that? Just because you don't mobile game doesn't mean there's not an ENTIRE generation(s) coming after that don't.
I never once said that mobile will over take console, I said Nintendo showed its hand and basically said "Whelp, we are going to have to do something about our old ass handheld..oh I know lets make our next console half of a handheld, half console." And it worked.

People HAVE been saying it for years, and the growth of the mobile market has proven them right. It doesn't mean that consoles will all of a sudden disappear. I don't think your grasp of consumer economics is very good here.

2. You sound idiotic. Do people spend money on handheld games? Yes. Then it's a market...no one said it was a competitive one. And stop getting stuck on the Grandma example and casually ignoring the effect that demographic has on the ones coming after it, which I already illustrated.
Also, stop saying the markets are separate...they aren't. That's like saying the MLB hasn't been affected by the rise of the NFL. It has. All sports have. But the market of baseball watchers and the market of football watchers have overlap...just like the "casual" gamer market (your grandmas and what not) and your "serious" gamers.

Also, way to just parrot what I already said about Nintendo and the handheld market.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

1. Yeah, it does. That's part of why it's not seen as legitimate yet...along with control schemes. The drop an exclusive Final Fantasy or Mass Effect for a phone, make it compelling, make it look good and make it control well...it will sell...period. You can casually ignore 40 BILLION in sales for the mobile market if you want to...the market already spoke, contrary to your sentiments. Mobile games haver over taken PC games in revenue....you really think the industry doesn't know that? Just because you don't mobile game doesn't mean there's not an ENTIRE generation(s) coming after that don't.
I never once said that mobile will over take console, I said Nintendo showed its hand and basically said "Whelp, we are going to have to do something about our old ass handheld..oh I know lets make our next console half of a handheld, half console." And it worked.

People HAVE been saying it for years, and the growth of the mobile market has proven them right. It doesn't mean that consoles will all of a sudden disappear. I don't think your grasp of consumer economics is very good here.

Can't have a console experience on mobile. It's physically impossible. The people who buy mass effect are looking for an experience that can not be had on mobile and it's not graphics. Mobile phones can produce console quality graphics now.

And mobile game revenue does not prove that it has in any way taken from the the console market. If it did we'd see the console market shrink as we've seen the mobile market rise. We have not. We've seen the console market continue to rise despite.

2. You sound idiotic. Do people spend money on handheld games? Yes. Then it's a market...no one said it was a competitive one. And stop getting stuck on the Grandma example and casually ignoring the effect that demographic has on the ones coming after it, which I already illustrated.
Also, stop saying the markets are separate...they aren't. That's like saying the MLB hasn't been affected by the rise of the NFL. It has. All sports have. But the market of baseball watchers and the market of football watchers have overlap...just like the "casual" gamer market (your grandmas and what not) and your "serious" gamers.

Also, way to just parrot what I already said about Nintendo and the handheld market.

If it's one singular product then there is no "handheld" market. There is a Nintendo DS market which also saw its sales continue to rise during mobile gaming rise. More proof that mobile gaming has little to no effect on dedicated gaming machines.

Again for you theory to be true we'd have to see console sales fall as mobile sales rise. That's not happening. They are two separate markets.

Ain't got shyt to do with sports either

 

[PS5 Pro]

i notice the past 2 weeks youve been either intentionally misspelling my name or not @ ing me when discussing me

if you scared just say you scared , we already think you are a lowly man so we cant think any lower of you already

I'll be 100% honest with you, didn't think of you when I wrote this, don't think of you at all. You know when you got all mad, then whimpered "I could have had your Facebook info but said nah"

If I was in that same position I'd be like so what, who cares about this nikka? I know you like to think you matter in the scheme of things but it's just not Sohh

 

[PS5 Pro]

1. Yeah, it does. That's part of why it's not seen as legitimate yet...along with control schemes. The drop an exclusive Final Fantasy or Mass Effect for a phone, make it compelling, make it look good and make it control well...it will sell...period. You can casually ignore 40 BILLION in sales for the mobile market if you want to...the market already spoke, contrary to your sentiments. Mobile games haver over taken PC games in revenue....you really think the industry doesn't know that? Just because you don't mobile game doesn't mean there's not an ENTIRE generation(s) coming after that don't.
I never once said that mobile will over take console, I said Nintendo showed its hand and basically said "Whelp, we are going to have to do something about our old ass handheld..oh I know lets make our next console half of a handheld, half console." And it worked.

People HAVE been saying it for years, and the growth of the mobile market has proven them right. It doesn't mean that consoles will all of a sudden disappear. I don't think your grasp of consumer economics is very good here.

2. You sound idiotic. Do people spend money on handheld games? Yes. Then it's a market...no one said it was a competitive one. And stop getting stuck on the Grandma example and casually ignoring the effect that demographic has on the ones coming after it, which I already illustrated.
Also, stop saying the markets are separate...they aren't. That's like saying the MLB hasn't been affected by the rise of the NFL. It has. All sports have. But the market of baseball watchers and the market of football watchers have overlap...just like the "casual" gamer market (your grandmas and what not) and your "serious" gamers.

Also, way to just parrot what I already said about Nintendo and the handheld market.

Ah, excuse me sir. I know phone make money. And while you repeat how much money what I haven't seen you do was name the top selling games

All games are not the same or we'd only be using computers. Mobile games are nothing like console games, NOTHING. The ones that try are terrible. Playing a game with a controller connected to a phone is a moronic idea. I'd rather play phone centric games on a phone, I don't wanna play gears of war on a 5in screen. In fact, the best games of today require a big screen. I can't play battlefield on that.

You said what If they got mass effect exclusive, you think that would make fans of that series move their gaming habits to mobile? And you're serious because Pokemon go was successful I'm supposed to start gaming on a phone?

Bruh, one does not equal the other

 

[daze23]

are yall just being obtuse talking about controllers and screen size? if you could hook up your phone to a controller and your TV, would it be that different from a console? phones, PC's, and consoles are all "computers"

 

[MeachTheMonster]

are yall just being obtuse talking about controllers and screen size? if you could hook up your phone to a controller and your TV, would it be that different from a console? phones, PC's, and consoles are all "computers"

If you need to hook it up to a controller and TV to play then it's not really a "mobile" gaming device.

And the big difference between consoles and the other devices are that consoles are dedicated gaming devices. They all share some capabilities, but the focus is very different between the devices.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Ah, excuse me sir. I know phone make money. And while you repeat how much money what I haven't seen you do was name the top selling games

All games are not the same or we'd only be using computers. Mobile games are nothing like console games, NOTHING. The ones that try are terrible. Playing a game with a controller connected to a phone is a moronic idea. I'd rather play phone centric games on a phone, I don't wanna play gears of war on a 5in screen. In fact, the best games of today require a big screen. I can't play battlefield on that.

You said what If they got mass effect exclusive, you think that would make fans of that series move their gaming habits to mobile? And you're serious because Pokemon go was successful I'm supposed to start gaming on a phone?

Bruh, one does not equal the other

All of this is filled with personal preference and has not a shred of data. I don't mobile game at ALL, but that doesn't stop me from realizing where the market is headed. People said the same thing about PoGo and guess what it fukking WORKED.

And about the top selling games...

Candy Crush Saga - Revenue estimates, app rankings & installs

There's a snapshot of Candy Crush on all platforms.....it has a daily new DAILY install base estimate of 46,619.

DAMN NEAR 47,000 PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING THE GAME A DAY.

Roughly 2 million a day in revenue....

Literally, there is almost NO console/PC game on earth that could duplicate those kinds of numbers. League of Legends doesn't even have those kinds of numbers.

If you need to hook it up to a controller and TV to play then it's not really a "mobile" gaming device.

^^^^^^
Still a mobile game and counts as a mobile game purchase to the FTC. If the main apparatus that you are playing the game from regardless of what you connect it to is a phone...its a mobile game. If the processor its running off of is in your phone...its a mobile game...if you bought it on your phones app store, its a mobile game.

Ya'll not even trying to make this a non-anecdotal discussion.

 

[PS5 Pro]

are yall just being obtuse talking about controllers and screen size? if you could hook up your phone to a controller and your TV, would it be that different from a console? phones, PC's, and consoles are all "computers"

So is my microwave and its already plugged in, I know where the screen would go to

Doesn't make it a good idea the problem with your suggestion is you'd have to interrupt gameplay Everytime you get a call. Or any other time you wanna use your phone. I'd rather not convert the trap phone into a console nah mean

Now with that said, consoles will be the size of a Roku by next gen GUARANTEED so it won't matter. The gaming environments established by the big 3 will continue to dominate the field. They will adapt accordingly to remain relevant

 

[MeachTheMonster]

All of this is filled with personal preference and has not a shred of data. I don't mobile game at ALL, but that doesn't stop me from realizing where the market is headed. People said the same thing about PoGo and guess what it fukking WORKED.

And about the top selling games...

Candy Crush Saga - Revenue estimates, app rankings & installs

There's a snapshot of Candy Crush on all platforms.....it has a daily new DAILY install base estimate of 46,619.

DAMN NEAR 47,000 PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING THE GAME A DAY.

Roughly 2 million a day in revenue....

Literally, there is almost NO console/PC game on earth that could duplicate those kinds of numbers. League of Legends doesn't even have those kinds of numbers.

^^^^^^
Still a mobile game and counts as a mobile game purchase to the FTC. If the main apparatus that you are playing the game from regardless of what you connect it to is a phone...its a mobile game. If the processor its running off of is in your phone...its a mobile game...if you bought it on your phones app store, its a mobile game.

Ya'll not even trying to make this a non-anecdotal discussion.

Nobody using that to play Mass Effect breh.

 

[PS5 Pro]

All of this is filled with personal preference and has not a shred of data. I don't mobile game at ALL, but that doesn't stop me from realizing where the market is headed. People said the same thing about PoGo and guess what it fukking WORKED.

And about the top selling games...

Candy Crush Saga - Revenue estimates, app rankings & installs

There's a snapshot of Candy Crush on all platforms.....it has a daily new DAILY install base estimate of 46,619.

DAMN NEAR 47,000 PEOPLE ARE INSTALLING THE GAME A DAY.

Roughly 2 million a day in revenue....

Literally, there is almost NO console/PC game on earth that could duplicate those kinds of numbers. League of Legends doesn't even have those kinds of numbers.

^^^^^^
Still a mobile game and counts as a mobile game purchase to the FTC. If the main apparatus that you are playing the game from regardless of what you connect it to is a phone...its a mobile game. If the processor its running off of is in your phone...its a mobile game...if you bought it on your phones app store, its a mobile game.

Ya'll not even trying to make this a non-anecdotal discussion.

First off, where is this "people said Pokemon go wouldn't work" coming from? Who told you Pokemon anything wouldn't work? Slap that nikka and his mama

2ndly, it's like you ignored what I said because your opinion is so strong. But let me reel you back in. You yourself don't game on mobile, the reason for that is the reason why you're incorrect

We all are aware that candy crush is popular amongst woman, worldwide, and it works on all models of cellphones so that is why it does so well. Because it's a game You can play for 5min or 50min but you'd only play it on your phone. Nobody would be playing candy crush on a console tho, use logic bruh.

I didn't look at the list because I'm a gamer so I already know what's popular. It ain't console styled games. Just because a bytch wants to play candy crush and her kid wants to catch them all does not mean the 1-200 million console gamers wanna know game on the go. I feel foolish gaming outside of my living room, but I'm a G, I fukk bytches, smoke blunts, scratch my balls then will give my fingers the smell test only way I'm gaming on the go is if it's in AR

 

[daze23]

If you need to hook it up to a controller and TV to play then it's not really a "mobile" gaming device.

And the big difference between consoles and the other devices are that consoles are dedicated gaming devices. They all share some capabilities, but the focus is very different between the devices.

apparently consoles are a dedicated pornhub device

these are all minor distinctions IMO. my point is people are trying to say that 'mobile' gaming is very different because of reasons that can easily be overcome

I think the strongest argument is that these console makers fund exclusive games. but I think that is also an antiquated model, since it's been shown that there's plenty of money to be made with multiplat games, and even self-published games

 

[Black Magisterialness]

First off, where is this "people said Pokemon go wouldn't work" coming from? Who told you Pokemon anything wouldn't work? Slap that nikka and his mama

2ndly, it's like you ignored what I said because your opinion is so strong. But let me reel you back in. You yourself don't game on mobile, the reason for that is the reason why you're incorrect

We all are aware that candy crush is popular amongst woman, worldwide, and it works on all models of cellphones so that is why it does so well. Because it's a game You can play for 5min or 50min but you'd only play it on your phone. Nobody would be playing candy crush on a console tho, use logic bruh.

I didn't look at the list because I'm a gamer so I already know what's popular. It ain't console styled games. Just because a bytch wants to play candy crush and her kid wants to catch them all does not mean the 1-200 million console gamers wanna know game on the go. I feel foolish gaming outside of my living room, but I'm a G, I fukk bytches, smoke blunts, scratch my balls then will give my fingers the smell test only way I'm gaming on the go is if it's in AR

Doesn't matter how long and with who the game is popular with. The only thing that matters, in this context, is market trends and dollars and cents. Not if you a G or not. The CONSUMERS have already shown that mobile gaming is the fastest growing and most lucrative sector of the gaming market. Just because you are not in that demographic doesn't mean the numbers aren't real. You say you are a gamer and you know whats popular but the data is totally contrary to your point. I'm not fukking around here with opinions. I'm going off facts and where the MONEY is going. Simple as that...and the MONEY says mobile gaming will continue to grow.

Again, take YOU and how YOU play games out of it and look at the data....and if you aren't going to look at evidence presented then back the fukk down when a true adult argument is brought to you. Don't bring some experiential bullshyt trying to evoke some "real gamer" image.

Nobody using that to play Mass Effect breh.

Way to not add anything substantive to the conversation, breh. :obamapoint:

 

[MeachTheMonster]

apparently consoles are a dedicated pornhub device

these are all minor distinctions IMO. my point is people are trying to say that 'mobile' gaming is very different because of reasons that can easily be overcome

No they can't.

Screen size. You can't play a game like Call of Duty on a small phone screen.

Battery life. In order to put console games on a mobile device the battery would run out too quick. This is what keeps the switch from truly being a portable device. In demanding games the battery barely lasts a couple hours. If you always have to be tethered to a wall, then it's not really a portable device.

Controller: console game controls are complicated. I have not seen anyone come up with a game quality solution for using a full controller with console style games.

These three issues are not easily overcome, in fact it is impossible that mobile devices ever can/will overcome them.

I think the strongest argument is that these console makers fund exclusive games. but I think that is also an antiquated model, since it's been shown that there's plenty of money to be made with multiplat games, and even self-published games

No. Has nothing to do with exclusive games. Majority of people playing on consoles don't even play those games.