White man confirms Black people have been in America thousands of years before Slavery

[Menelik II]

- Now, you're insinauting that I don't think that people who have Black phenotypes can make open water voyages. Not entirely true. There's genetic evidence (real, substantiated evidence) that Black people sailed to Madagascar at around the same time Austronesians from Borneo sailed to that island. What evidence is there that Malians sailed to Guatemala or Hispaniola (as @Akan believes) to spread Islam and inspire people to build large stone heads? None, really.
- Moreover, West Africans (unlike East Africans of Swahili heritage) didn't have the naval technology nor the economic incentives to make such voyages. Remember, Columbus made his voyage in 1492 to get to the Indies or China. There was an economic incentive. Plus, naval technology in Western Europe had advanced enough to allow for voyages to places like the Canary Islands.o in the south or Benin in the south. Furthermore, West Africa's prevailing winds prevent sea travel without a lateen sail to sail against that wind. That technology only existed around the Indian Ocean coastline of East Africa at that time.

^^This. The prehistoric voyages to found the olmec ciivlisation is extremely unlikely. The Malian crossing the atlantic in 1300s is possible but unlikely. They didn't have the technology, or need for sea faring. We have zero evidence for it. As far as we know Cape Verde in the atlantic was unihabited and hadn't ever been colonized. If west africans were travelling across the atlantic there would at least be evidence of human contact on Cape Verde.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

West African War Canoe Technology (Calabar in Modern Day Nigeria). Note that this boat is sturdier than a pirogue, but wouldn't be able to sail into the Atlantic. The Ocean is too rough and it lacks a lateen sail to cut into the winds.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

In comparison (@Karbaash you'll find this interesting) Somalis on dhows sailed to Yemen to expel Malagasy (from Madagascar) rulers. Somali sailors also fought the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean and Gulf of Aden in the 1500 and 1600s. Unfortunately, West African naval technology didn't develop the technology required to fight back against the Portuguese.

 

[Samori Toure]

^^This. The prehistoric voyages to found the olmec ciivlisation is extremely unlikely. The Malian crossing the atlantic in 1300s is possible but unlikely. They didn't have the technology, or need for sea faring. We have zero evidence for it. As far as we know Cape Verde in the atlantic was unihabited and hadn't ever been colonized. If west africans were travelling across the atlantic there would at least be evidence of human contact on Cape Verde.

They crossed vast expanses of the deserts for trade using their compasses. If you have navigational skills then they can be used on land and at sea.

How could Musa and his court go all the way to Saudi Arabia from Mali without knowing navigation? They went across a desert about the size of the United States.

 

[Menelik II]

They crossed vast expanses of the deserts for trade using their compasses. If you have navigational skills then they can be used on land and at sea.

How could Musa and his court go all the way to Saudi Arabia from Mali without knowing navigation? They went across a desert about the size of the United States.

its a totally different pursuit, sailing the ocean versus crossing the desert. Its is clear that they had a long tradition of crossing the desert, which hey didn't for crossing the ocean.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Breh the evidence is we been there lol it ain't like we claiming Mayans but we taught them civilization. Where you think the Mayans got their calendar from how could they have a calendar older than their entire civilization?? Why is Bes on their calendar? Research and the evidence is there

"We taught them civilization," same shyt Europeans said about Africans. And there is zero evidence to support any of those claims

I hate to say it but these days the people who are falsifying history the most aren't even white.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

They crossed vast expanses of the deserts for trade using their compasses. If you have navigational skills then they can be used on land and at sea.

How could Musa and his court go all the way to Saudi Arabia from Mali without knowing navigation? They went across a desert about the size of the United States.

I never argued that they didn't know navigation. Just that they lacked lateen sails/mtepes and dhows which could've helped with a transatlantic voyage.

Also, pilgrimage to Mecca is far different from travelling to the Americas. For one, Malians knew where Mecca was and how to get there. North Africa had been populated by Muslims since the 600s. Islam reached West Africa during the Ghana Empire.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

"We taught them civilization," same shyt Europeans said about Africans. And there is zero evidence to support any of those claims

I hate to say it but these days the people who are falsifying history the most aren't even white.

It's quite sad. If we taught them "civilization" we should've at least given them iron-working. Indigeneous Americans didn't have that while Africans were making steel prototypes in their forges. We also could've given them horses. They had to rely on humans for moving heavy objects in Ancient Mexico.

 

[Pit Bull]

"We taught them civilization," same shyt Europeans said about Africans. And there is zero evidence to support any of those claims

I hate to say it but these days the people who are falsifying history the most aren't even white.

I'm glad habibi came through so I could put him on ignore

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I'm glad habibi came through so I could put him on ignore

You already got facts on ignore anyway.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

@MansaMusa I understand that this thread is filled with pseudo nonsense but I disagree with your assessments that Sahelian Empires like Mali only used "canoes" as there is no proof that they did not use actual boats.

For one here is a West African man making a boat like his ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

Second even better here is a video of how people of the Niger river construct their boats.


Neither are "canoes." Sailboats were also common on the Niger as canoes back during the time of the Mali empire.

More importantly here is quote about how Sonni Ali Ber of the Songhai empire invaded the city of Djenne using ships!

Regardless of the circumstances, Sonni Ali learnt his lesson well. Never again was he left at the mercy of someone else's fleet. He built up a river-based navy of over 400 boats, and used them to good effect in his next conquest - the trading city of Jenne (now Djenné. The city was placed under siege, with the fleet blockading the port. Although it took seven years for the siege to work, the city fell to Sonni Ali in 1473. The Songhai Empire now incorporated three of the greatest trading cities on the Niger: Gao, Timbuktu, and Jenne. (All three had once been part of the Mali Empire.)

How Sonni Ali Formed a Great African Empire

Djenne was very hard to conquer and regular Canoes would not done the job. So yes Sahelian West Africans DID use boats and they still use them on the Niger River.

 

[Knicksman20]

Then why did you mention Olympus Mons on the planet Mars?

To show the obsession with star worship & how most ancient cultures have tried to mimick them on earth

 

[ISO]

high row gliffix

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Also ANYONE trying to show connections between Nile Valley Africans like the Ancient Egyptians and pre-Colombian indigenous Americans like the Mayans or Olmecs are not only wasting their time but are going to have a TOUGH time proving it. Eyeballing/cherry picking certain things to compare won't work because the two cultures were vastly different.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

@MansaMusa I understand that this thread is filled with pseudo nonsense but I disagree with your assessments that Sahelian Empires like Mali only used "canoes" as there is no proof that they did not use actual boats.

For one here is a West African man making a boat like his ancestors did hundreds of years ago.

Second even better here is a video of how people of the Niger river construct their boats.


Neither are "canoes." Sailboats were also common on the Niger as canoes back during the time of the Mali empire.

More importantly here is quote about how Sonni Ali Ber of the Songhai empire invaded the city of Djenne using ships!

How Sonni Ali Formed a Great African Empire

Djenne was very hard to conquer and regular Canoes would not done the job. So yes Sahelian West Africans DID use boats and they still use them on the Niger River.

The problem is, how do we know those boat-builders were not influenced by post-colonial designs?

Nonetheless, I never claimed that the Malian Empire lacked sails. Just lateen sails and the technology to make Trans-Oceanic voyages.