When Did Rappers With Zero Substance & Stories Start Getting Away With It?

[O.Red]

Blaming record labels is not the phrasing I would use. Sure, it is giving people what they want. It's not different from The Bachelor or The Kardashians.

And there it is

The issue is op talking like all there is to watch is The Bachelor or The Kardashians when there's an abundance of amazing shows out there

How would I look making a thread complaining about Keeping Up With The Kardashians writing and character development?

That's what this thread is. It's like asking why the strip club DJ isn't playing Black Thought's Sway freestyle

 

[O.Red]

I like Benny, can't speak for the others.

Like I said, I don't mind talking about Drugs Sex etc but tell me some stories and some of the downsides. Benny does that on top of actually being good at rapping.

Do you listen to Danny Brown?

He's had one of the most compelling musical/life journeys of any rapper I follow

 

[Art Barr]

Do you listen to Danny Brown?

He's had one of the most compelling musical/life journeys of any rapper I follow

After Danny brown exposed himself.

Nobody is listening to Danny brown anymore.


Art Barr

 

[Wild self]

I feel like these responses are so lazy and avoidant.

Getting away with having successful careers and offering zero of worth creatively

How could I not pay mind to the rappers blowing up the fastest? Why are the most popular new rappers starting off as jokes and then becoming some of the fastest growing rappers? Why are essentially Meme rappers prominent in the genre this year

Top 40 Music can be serious or have a decent message too.

Around the commercialization of Hip Hop in the mid 90s. Flashy singles catered to women about superficial BS like cars, jewelry, and so on caught steam. Puffy was the one that started it, and he made mad enemies from the likes of Wu Tang.

 

[NoirDynosaur]

This party music.

Hip hop was that that before the storytelling.

Exactly. The early 80’s up to mid 80’s was mostly party raps

Rakim, KRS One, Slick
Rick, Kool G Rap and Big Daddy Kane transformed lyricism with metaphors, storytelling and multi syllables

 

[NoirDynosaur]

When Big died and NY started to prop up Puffy while criticizing anyone to called him wack as a "hater", that opened the door for a lot of wack mfers to come in an make music. Then the south explosion happened. For the record, I'm from the south and a lot of artists that came out during the NO limit and Cash Money phase could rap, but for every one that could rap in the south, you had 2 or 3 that were garbage as fuk along for the ride and affiliation. NY and Cali had wack artists too, but it's just something about the south propping up these garbage azz artists that set the standard for what we have today. And it all started with a talentless mf that NY propped up in puff daddy. Hammer(not a lyricist as well) was basically ran out of hip hop and when NY got their own version of Hammer(thought people were writing for Puff), they praised him.

The south gets overlooked. Scarface, Lord Infamous, UGK, Ludacris, Weezy, Mystikal, Andre 3000, Big Boi, Killer Mike, Curren$y just to name a few are top tier spitters.

No Limit produced some of Snoop’s best work, Mystikal, Mac and Soulja Slim

When the crunk/snap era came, that’s when the South took over Hip Hop.

 

[HoldThisL]

Every era had garbage music, it's just that the garbage music is sounding more horrible than b4.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

This nikka is making up shyt but since you want to mention the NWA nobody did BWA & 2Live Crew actually happened too. By your logic fukk The Police makes up for nikkaz4life. If Ice Spice made a song about wearing condom they’d be even the

Mob Style was basically a look into the future so what you madddd at?

BWA didn't have any hits

Mob Style didn't have any hits.

2 Live Crew wasn't really respected as hip-hop. "Miami Bass" was it's own thing unique to Miami culture & strip clubs.

The controversy surrounding 2 Live Crew was bigger than 2 Live Crew

That's why Snoop & Dre completely tear them to shreds on "Dre Day"

You're just picking random people that literally nobody outside of regionally listened too, while Ice Spice is one of the biggest stars in America

That's what this thread is. It's like asking why the strip club DJ isn't playing Black Thought's Sway freestyle

The club DJs used to play Biggie, Pac, & plenty of other MCs who had layers.

 

[Big Boss]

every era of rap had its share of zero substance

where people anal about it ..maybe but not like it is now when muhfukkas make threads cryin about it..

if it aint ya cup of tea..dont drink..sip ya brand

Facts

 

[TaxCollector13459]

the game missing that nikka MO3

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

BWA didn't have any hits

Mob Style didn't have any hits.

2 Live Crew wasn't really respected as hip-hop. "Miami Bass" was it's own thing unique to Miami culture & strip clubs.

The controversy surrounding 2 Live Crew was bigger than 2 Live Crew

That's why Snoop & Dre completely tear them to shreds on "Dre Day"

You're just picking random people that literally nobody outside of regionally listened too, while Ice Spice is one of the biggest stars in America

The club DJs used to play Biggie, Pac, & plenty of other MCs who had layers.

So wait a minute…were they all major label investments or were they operating out of their garage? Don’t be mad that the foundation of all this was laid down decades ago and now it’s thriving. If X Clan & Poor Righteous Teachers could have gotten a deal off of Public Enemy then the bullshyt certainly got looks off of bullshyt adjacent stuff that was winning. Monkey see monkey do is the business

I’m going to ignore your explanation of 2LC vs Death Row by the way Lmaoooooo

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

You couldn’t have been a kid of a certain era and not have stumbled upon this. The only reason rap wasn’t overran with this shyt back then was dating even before this the money wasn’t there. These nikkax had drug spots and was letting nikkax borrow jewelry so what sense would it make to try to get it like the artistic nikkax frontin? Rap was always an image game so of course you were always a step away from this shyt

Mob was always into music but that was different…emphasis was always on singing & the content was love

 

[Art Barr]

You couldn’t have been a kid of a certain era and not have stumbled upon this. The only reason rap wasn’t overran with this shyt back then was dating even before this the money wasn’t there. These nikkax had drug spots and was letting nikkax borrow jewelry so what sense would it make to try to get it like the artistic nikkax frontin? Rap was always an image game so of course you were always a step away from this shyt

Mob was always into music but that was different…emphasis was always on singing & the content was love

They had a gang truce and pr on said truce.
that allowed them to have permeation as a draw culturally in hiphop.
If not for that.
They would have had no traction in hiphop. Just another mainstream gangsta rap group.
It is because they took cultural responsibility with their pr and image they were accepted culturally in hiphop being antigang.

Art Barr

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

They had a gang truce and pr on said truce.
that allowed them to have permeation as a draw culturally in hiphop.
If not for that.
They would have had no traction in hiphop. Just another mainstream gangsta rap group.
It is because they took cultural responsibility with their pr and image they were accepted culturally in hiphop being antigang.

Art Barr

Man them nikkax was talking slick about each other on them records. Truce be damned

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

So wait a minute…were they all major label investments or were they operating out of their garage? Don’t be mad that the foundation of all this was laid down decades ago and now it’s thriving. If X Clan & Poor Righteous Teachers could have gotten a deal off of Public Enemy then the bullshyt certainly got looks off of bullshyt adjacent stuff that was winning. Monkey see monkey do is the business

I’m going to ignore your explanation of 2LC vs Death Row by the way Lmaoooooo

Who said anything about "operating out of a garage"?

Dude, you're just not getting it.

Nobody's saying "gangstas" and "hoes" didn't do music in the past.

The argument is that the BIGGEST stars today like Ice Spice are the hugest stars in music yet have no layers.

You couldn’t have been a kid of a certain era and not have stumbled upon this. The only reason rap wasn’t overran with this shyt back then was dating even before this the money wasn’t there. These nikkax had drug spots and was letting nikkax borrow jewelry so what sense would it make to try to get it like the artistic nikkax frontin? Rap was always an image game so of course you were always a step away from this shyt

Mob was always into music but that was different…emphasis was always on singing & the content was love

These dudes literally had ZERO pop hits.

You're just not smart enough for this thread.

You're acting like things existing is the same thing as having the #1 song in America when those things are very different.

Hip-Hop is and always was diverse

From NWA to Public Enemy to Salt N Pepa to De La Soul

All of those iconic artists had layers.

NWA could make iconic songs like "fukk The Police" & "Express Yourself" in spite of being a gangsta rap group

Public Enemy could do "Fight The Power"

Salt N Pepa could do "Push It" & "Let's Talk About Sex"

De La Soul could do songs about child abuse like "Millie Pulled A Pistol on Santa" & then do silly stuff like "Buddy"

The biggest rappers had LAYERS, they weren't just 1 dimensional caricatures.

You had 1 note nikkaz that had at most 1 hit and then disappeared, but they didn't become the biggest stars in the damn game