When Did Rappers With Zero Substance & Stories Start Getting Away With It?

[Zero]

The shift happened when people gave the rapper Rick Ross a pass after he was exposed as a CO.

Ross even finally admitted it was true and people let it fly.

That coincidenced with IG and social media allowing everyone to fake it online.

Same way there are plenty of people on this site making comments who have never really been "outside."

Might be a fair point


I don't want people to think im on some every female rapper has to be Lauryn Hill type vibe. Talk about sex if you want but shyt be an artist about it atleast

I bet yall love schoolboy Kiss though

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I bet yall love schoolboy Kiss though

Who?

 

[Zero]

Who?

Jadakiss went to private school funded by his pops but nobody wants to hold him to task because they like his music

 

[Iceson Beckford]

Jadakiss went to private school funded by his pops but nobody wants to hold him to task because they like his music

Not sure what Jadakiss has to do with my point?

Jada is a great rapper and rapped about different topics?

Maybe I'm missing the obvious here

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Not sure what Jadakiss has to do with my point?

Jada is a great rapper and rapped about different topics?

Maybe I'm missing the obvious here

Exactly, this was the #1 song in Amerikkka in 2004



Imagine Ice Spice, Cardi B, or Megan Thee Stallion doing some shyt like this

Run DMC working with Aerosmith was what then? Bad Boy definitely had a aesthetic that was more "pop oriented" but its not like they were outselling everyone.

It was a rap/rock collaboration.

Aerosmith weren't Pop at that point, they were considered one of the hardest rock bands of all-time.

Actually, Run-DMC helped Aerosmith go Pop, not the other way around.

Aerosmith hadn't had a hit in years and all those dudes were hardcore junkies.

After this, Aerosmith had a bunch of hits in the late '80s & early '90s.

bad boy artist & albums not trash enough for nikkas to blaming puff

if anything nikkas showed you can be about money & still drop quality music

this is a convo about the motherfukkers with remedial vocabularies & zero musical knowledge getting over

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Man, them nikkaz put out Mase & Harlem World

 

[maxamusa]

Not sure what Jadakiss has to do with my point?

Jada is a great rapper and rapped about different topics?

Maybe I'm missing the obvious here

@Zero just mad Jadakiss smarter and more educated then his dumbass

 

[Depreciating Asset]

When Big died and NY started to prop up Puffy while criticizing anyone to called him wack as a "hater", that opened the door for a lot of wack mfers to come in an make music. Then the south explosion happened. For the record, I'm from the south and a lot of artists that came out during the NO limit and Cash Money phase could rap, but for every one that could rap in the south, you had 2 or 3 that were garbage as fuk along for the ride and affiliation. NY and Cali had wack artists too, but it's just something about the south propping up these garbage azz artists that set the standard for what we have today. And it all started with a talentless mf that NY propped up in puff daddy. Hammer(not a lyricist as well) was basically ran out of hip hop and when NY got their own version of Hammer(thought people were writing for Puff), they praised him.

This. The game has never been the same since. Puff wasn't all bad by any means but his popularity was based on him being an entertainer with little substance. Before Puff anyone who tried that got shamed and called a sellout by the rest of the rap community and then rap fans. But Puff never caught heat the way Hammer or Young MC did. Not sure exactly why. Or if he did catch heat, it didn't stick..

 

[King Poetic]

When them D4L and dem franchize boys hit the seen

 

[Depreciating Asset]

What was Sir Mix-a-Lot's substance? What was his story? What was Father MC's story? Tone Loc's? Candyman's?

Candyman

The difference is that all the artists got shamed and harassed for their bullshyt back in the day. Ain't none of them that you named made a second album. They were called Wack if I remember correctly. Somehow that term lost its potency.

 

[kevlar kohleone]

I'm in central CT a lot....I come down your way 2.....hartford got some spitters man.....but there's no like....cultural spots I guess? only clubs and parties I go 2 out there are all yardmon. got a lot of hispanic folk 2 and they do the Spanish thing. I don't ever see like hip-hop culture out here. is that right? could that play a part?

Yeah ur spot on I mean toads place in New Haven brings hip hop act 2 the town but they don’t really do like local hip hop talent showcases kinda like SOBs in NYC

 

[010101]

Man, them nikkaz put out Mase & Harlem World

ma$e a legend & harlem.world was just a family project charity project*

 

[ISO]

why hasn't a rapper from CT blown up?

There’s a guy named Fuego Base from CT that’s popping a bit in the underground sense.

He’s signed to Benny.

Had a project posted on here called Biggest Since Camby.

 

[KBtheKey]

Idk. I don't like too much of either all at once. I feel like anything labeled an album should have a variety of themes. You can be stunting, fukin hoes, and doing all the drugs as much as you want if you got at least a quarter of the tracklist on some reflecting, love/heartbreak, general storytelling shyt.

Some newer artists do give you more than you think you're getting at face value, but you have receive the lyrics with a bit more intent.

And that storytelling shyt don't always be hitting. I say vibes over stories or whatever, but only if they have a decent flow/beat selection/rhyme scheme/mic presence/etc

 

[FlyRy]

When them D4L and dem franchize boys hit the seen

the south ruined rap and turned it into a parody of itself

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I feel like anything labeled an album should have a variety of themes. You can be stunting, fukin hoes, and doing all the drugs as much as you want if you got at least a quarter of the tracklist on some reflecting, love/heartbreak, general storytelling shyt.

You summarised what Im asking for better than I did