What's the market for Rajon Rondo?

[intruder]

If you factor in post-season success, that list almost evaporates, save 3 or 4 players (including Parker).

Y'all are suffering from Peyton Manning syndrome. Y'all are blinded by what these guys do during the regular season but fail to recognize some of these guys' post-season deficiencies.

Again, as i mentioned to you before you're giving Rondo too much credit for the Celtics success.
The main constant in the Cletics successful years has been PAUL PIERCE. He was there before KG and showed us he was a prime time playoff performer when it was just him and Walker. Even KG never had playoff success (as in sniff the 2nd round) until he was playing with Pierce except that one year when he played with Spreewell and the Alien.

Again, Rondo was just a KEY part of the core but by no means was he THE cornerstone of those championship teams.

 

[William F. Russell]

you don't see a primary ballhandler who can't shoot free throws as being a major deficiency?

His free throw shooting THIS season has been horrific. No doubt about that.

But you must factor in his injury to his shooting hand and elbow right at the beginning of the season. And it's probably psyhcological for him at this point. He was never a great free throw shooter but last year in 30 games he was 62% from the charity stripe. Before he got injured in 2012-13, he was 65%.

Although it's not ideal, a coach could live with a primary ball handler (especially with Rondo's skill-set) who shoots 60+% from the line. This season's FT shooting from Rondo is an aberration.

Perspective: Ty Lawson shoots 73% FT and George Hill shoots 75%. John Wall shoots 77%.

 

[William F. Russell]

Again, as i mentioned to you before you're giving Rondo too much credit for the Celtics success.
The main constant in the Cletics successful years has been PAUL PIERCE. He was there before KG and showed us he was a prime time playoff performer when it was just him and Walker. Even KG never had playoff success (as in sniff the 2nd round) until he was playing with Pierce except that one year when he played with Spreewell and the Alien.

Again, Rondo was just a KEY part of the core but by no means was he THE cornerstone of those championship teams.

I NEVER argued that Rondo was THE cornerstone to the Celtics '08. You're putting words in my mouth. What I'm arguing is that Rondo was KEY to that team. I'm also arguing that since then, he has proven himself to be a top PG in this league. Furthemore, I'm arguing that from 2010-onwards, HE was the best player on that team (as Pierce', Ray's, and KG's skills were diminishing). If you dispute any of this, you either didn't watch the Celtics or you're clueless.

The rhetoric that Rondo is a by-product of the Big 3 is laughable and disingenuous.

Are you going to credit all of Rondo's triple-doubles (regular season and playoffs) to Paul Pierce?

Are you going to credit Pierce with Rondo's 4 all-star appearances?

How about Rondo's 4 all-defensive teams appearances (2 of them all-firsts)?

At a certain point, you must acknowledge that Rondo has proven himself as an elite PG.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[William F. Russell]

75 mil over 5 years

Oh ok.

Yes, I would pay Rondo $15mil/year.

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

He's coming to the Knicks.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Oh ok.

Yes, I would pay Rondo $15mil/year.

Having said that.. I'm happy he's no longer with the Celtics.

 

[intruder]

I NEVER argued that Rondo was THE cornerstone to the Celtics '08. You're putting words in my mouth. What I'm arguing is that Rondo was KEY to that team. I'm also arguing that since then, he has proven himself to be a top PG in this league. Furthemore, I'm arguing that from 2010-onwards, HE was the best player on that team (as Pierce', Ray's, and KG's skills were diminishing). If you dispute any of this, you either didn't watch the Celtics or you're clueless.

The rhetoric that Rondo is a by-product of the Big 3 is laughable and disingenuous.

Are you going to credit all of Rondo's triple-doubles (regular season and playoffs) to Paul Pierce?

Are you going to credit Pierce with Rondo's 4 all-star appearances?

How about Rondo's 4 all-defensive teams appearances (2 of them all-firsts)?

At a certain point, you must acknowledge that Rondo has proven himself as an elite PG.

We can agree to disagree.

Geez! are you getting emotional over this argument again, g?

I didnt put words in your mouth. All i said is you are giving Rondo too much credit for his part of the success on a team that was stacked up with PREMIER talent.

 

[William F. Russell]

Those players are all better than him this year. Won't count last year since he didn't play a lot of games.

He played 30 games last year.

So going by your logic, are we not going to count Kobe's stats or Derrick Rose's?

I'm not talking about past achievements. I'm saying right now at this point in time he is barely scratching the top 15 and all the guys I listed above him are outperforming him so heavily that bringing Rondo's name into the conversation almost comes off as a bad joke.

The topic of this discussion is Rondo's value on the open market (i.e., free agency). GMs/coaches will be looking at Rondo's past accomplishments, no less than they would be looking at LeBron's, Wade's, Love's, Kawhi's, or Al Jefferson's past accomplishments. GMs don't award contracts based on the most recent season.

You say he has some work to do to get back into the top 5 but I'd say he has some work to do to even get back into the top 10.

He has work to do to get back in the top 5.

 

[I.V.]

Flea.

 

[William F. Russell]

Having said that.. I'm happy he's no longer with the Celtics.

Your opinion. The Celtics aren't winning anything anytime soon unless drastic moves happen.

 

[William F. Russell]

Geez! are you getting emotional over this argument again, g?

I didnt put words in your mouth. All i said is you are giving Rondo too much credit for his part of the success on a team that was stacked up with PREMIER talent.

There's no emotion on my part. I'm telling straight facts.

And I said you can have your opinion, no matter how much I (or facts) would disprove it.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Your opinion. The Celtics aren't winning anything anytime soon unless drastic moves happen.

Yeah. I was a Rondo supporter from his first Celtics summer league games because he played at the speed of Marcus Banks but alot more under control...

He was good with the Big 3 because he would follow directions, but these last couple years... His jumper started to show life but regressed, and his horrific free throw percentage never improved, and it just felt like he was holding the offense up, not to mention his defensive effort was approaching James Harden levels in my eyes.

 

[Mr swag]

A lotto team will give the max

 

[Raquinotj]

I gotta neg you off GP for this comment. I don't know why this became a popular talking point to discredit the Lakers in 2010. Besides the fact that Perkins is a bum, NOBODY talks about Bynum and Ariza being hurt for the Lakers in 2008.

This clown @SuperCoolP_Cal is gonna be top five in #WPOY2015 voting because of his absurd Rondo stanning.

As for Rondo, these are the only teams he could go to in the summer where he would be better than the PGs they currently have:

New York
maybe Philly
maybe Houston
maybe Utah

I'd take Jordan Clarkson over him right now.

Ask your boy Kobe...

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Ask your boy Kobe...

Is that Kobe or Charlie Murphy?