United Healthcare CEO killed in Midtown NYC; Luigi Mangione in custody of NYPD awaiting trial

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I dont see the relevance? but it sounds like a justification... is this a 'bad people should be shot dead in the street by other civilians' argument? :russ:

Keep in mind im not completely against this, i just want to make sure we are on the same page. Are you in favor of a purge style suspension of the rule of law?
i'm in favor of that big time.
 

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When there's such a huge wealth gap and people feel they're being exploited and abandoned it can only ultimately lead to one thing. I don't condone it but this is where extreme wealth inequality leads us as a society. Its only a matter of time before average American redirect their rage and guns from each other to the wealthy elite. And Trump's presidency will only exacerbate it.
I get that, but does that make murder ok?
Are you glad this man was murdered?
 

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Can't relate to defending willing candidates who get installed to lead the squeeze on the insured through denied coverage and whatnot. :scust:

If anything this murder has had more of a positive impact on receiving care since the ACA. :ehh:
 

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I get that, but does that make murder ok?
Are you glad this man was murdered?
As someone who worked in the industry and actually writes a lot of SQL and P-SQL....yes I am


I actually take painstaking efforts to write code that will not accidentally cancel, overcharge, or deny someone especially if they have the correct benefit package. I'll spend a week just trying to make sure the code has no errors.

I knew as soon as I saw the lawsuits about retroactive denials it was on purpose
 

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I get that, but does that make murder ok?
Are you glad this man was murdered?
Glad? No. But if people start clapping billionaires don't expect me to sympathize. Its more sad than anything. Because its all so preventable.

The wealthy elite have been watching and abetting in the slow destruction of American society for decades all because they don't want to pay a little extra in their fukking taxes or be held accountable for negligant business practices. Its the height of immaturity and absurdity. They've indirectly committed mass murder through their own irresponsible and greed driven actions. Does that justify their murder? I'll let future historians be the judge of that.
 

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Tbf, I don’t think @winb83 ’s point is how you took it. The CEO is a piece of shyt but him being dead isn’t changing United Healthcare’s business decisions or causing washington to think different about health care. A new CEO will step in and do the same. Laws need to be changed.
I don't think to rise to the top position in such a corporation you can really be a good person. Usually you have to have messed up ethics to do the type of ruthless stuff the job requires.

That being said killing him won't change much. There will simply be a different person in the position doing the same types of things.
everything you just said can be said of the Slave owner pre-emancipation
A CEO doesn't claim to own other human beings and deny them basic human rights. This one ran a giant publicly traded company an the behest of the chairman, the board of directors, and the shareholders.

The problem is a for profit health insurance company even exist in the first place. Single payer health care is the actual solution not killing a guy so another guy can take his position and enact the same business model.
 

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I don't think to rise to the top position in such a corporation you can really be a good person. Usually you have to have messed up ethics to do the type of ruthless stuff the job requires.

That being said killing him won't change much. There will simply be a different person in the position doing the same types of things.

A CEO doesn't claim to own other human beings and deny them basic human rights. This one ran a giant publicly traded company an the behest of the chairman, the board of directors, and the shareholders.

The problem is a for profit health insurance company even exist in the first place. Single payer health care is the actual solution not killing a guy so another guy can take his position and enact the same business model.
The CEO of health insurance companies judge if the people they insure live or die.

One could say that any CEO of a for profit health insurance company that denies people coverage for life saving procedures are morally evil.
 

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The UnitedHealthcare Gunman Understands the Surveillance State​


When cameras are everywhere, a killer can adjust accordingly.

By Juliette Kayyem

A ripped photo of the UnitedHealthcare gunman smiling on surveillance footage with an NYPD helmet behind the rip


Illustration by The Atlantic. Sources: New York City Police Department / AP; Mario Tama / Getty.

December 6, 2024, 11:55 AM ET

A ripped photo of the UnitedHealthcare gunman smiling on surveillance footage with an NYPD helmet behind the rip


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The masked killer who targeted UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on the streets of New York City on Wednesday is, after more than 48 hours, still on the run. This is remarkable because he is the focus of a very public manhunt.

We know so much already: Videos of the murder have spread widely on social media; police have described physical evidence, including bullet casings and a dropped phone and water bottle that might have been the assassin’s, and released pictures of a “person of interest” from his stay at a Manhattan hostel. We just don’t know who he is. After an outdoor attack in one of the busiest and most intensively surveilled places in the world—where cameras operated by the New York City Police Department and countless property owners are ubiquitous, supplemented by the personal devices that residents and visitors carry—the attacker has vanished, at least for the time being.

The gunman has succeeded in avoiding identification in part by understanding how technology is used and what its limits are. This killing raises the possibility that our surveillance network—an intricate web meant to enhance public safety and private security—has become so obvious and intrusive that criminal perpetrators can figure out how to dodge it. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, hid in the Montana woods as he killed three people and injured more than 20 in a nationwide mail-bombing campaign from 1978 to 1995 in an effort to highlight the dangers of modern technology. Thompson’s killer seems to accept technology as a given. Electronic surveillance didn’t deter him from committing murder in public, and he seems to have carefully considered how others might respond to his actions.

Nicholas Florko: Murder is an awful answer for health-care anger

The killer apparently used either a silencer or a relatively quiet gun. In spy movies, assassins use silencers so that nobody even knows that a crime has occurred. In this case, the effect was to buy time. A bystander realized that something had happened and ran away, but no one jumped into action to thwart the gunman’s quick exit on an e-bike—a device that has the speed of a car in Midtown Manhattan.

Yesterday, investigators released images showing the face of the person of interest at the hostel, where he had paid cash. These pictures, apparently taken when a worker was flirting with him and asked to see his smile, would seem a huge error in this well-planned effort. But these pictures, too, show someone who is “extremely camera savvy,” as a senior law-enforcement official told The New York Times. He is still wearing a hood and his face is still partially obscured, making image-matching on facial-recognition systems more difficult.

The killer’s evasion strategy benefits from the public’s response to all of these clues. If you can’t beat surveillance, overwhelm it. The authorities’ revelation of evidence engages a public tantalized by his hide-and-seek. As citizens play detective, police receive a flurry of tips and calls, requiring time-intensive inquiries that in many cases can lead to nowhere and distract from those that may lead to the killer. Intentionally or not, the killer has underscored the flaw in “If you see something, say something”—an approach that floods the system with too much information.

From the September 2009 issue: How American health care killed my father

As the hours have passed and the manhunt has continued to come up short, some commentators have started creating a mythology about the killer, who has stayed ahead of the NYPD and all its cameras. The victim ran a business that effectively decides which medical care its customers can and cannot get. Commentators who dislike the American health-insurance system are using Thompson’s death as an occasion to condemn the industry’s conduct, as if the assassin were a modern-day Robin Hood.

The killer, who shot Thompson in the back, may welcome that glorifying narrative. Indeed, despite his efforts to avoid being identified, he seems to have wanted to put on a show. A bullet shell and an ejected live round found at the scene reportedly had words such as depose and delay written on them—apparent references to strategies that health insurers use in denying coverage.

This suggests an obvious motive—perhaps too obvious. The killer is a master of the modern surveillance environment; he understands the camera. No one should be surprised if he is just pointing the lens to where he wants us to look.
 

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The CEO of health insurance companies judge if the people they insure live or die.

One could say that any CEO of a for profit health insurance company that denies people coverage for life saving procedures are morally evil.
The point of insurance companies is to collect premiums and not pay out if possible so they can make money.

Again single payer would have a point of providing health care for everyone. A for profit publicly traded health insurance company doesn't exist to save lives and help people it exist to enrich shareholders. They're not paying out if it can be avoided.
 

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The point of insurance companies is to collect premiums and not pay out if possible so they can make money.

Again single payer would have a point of providing health care for everyone. A for profit publicly traded health insurance company doesn't exist to save lives and help people it exist to enrich shareholders. They're not paying out if it can be avoided.
The issue isn’t profit making. It’s denying people life saving care to further increase profits.

God damn you bootlicking hard as fukk.
 

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I think we all realize insurance companies don't really make money, the issue is they're for profit companies and that for profit mentality get in the way of saving lives. This is actually why the government shouldn't be the single payer option of all things insurance. The government's sole purpose is to assist it's citizenship if i had to chose who this guy should have attacked in order

Drug companies
Food companies
Then insurance
 
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