Probably several months this time
Trump administration offering buyouts to nearly all federal workers
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Wouldn’t last that long
The last long shutdown ended with the quickness due to a handful of east coast controllers calling in sick on a random day and flights we’re MASSIVELY delayed
I don’t think people understand how it really only takes like 10-20 controllers can literally fuk up the entire national airspace
Like literally in my facility we have 2 people on my shift who are going through medical shyt and can’t work and it has far reaching consequences. Short staffed and below numbers, so planes gotta be sequenced and moved around our area. Lots of OT so that means other days of the week have controller burnout which means low staffing on other days which turns into a cycle of low staffing
TMU has to balance and not over saturate the other sectors so that means your plane has to wait in line longer. Doesn’t matter if you’re a billionaire. You wanna get to LA or JFK? Gonna need an IFR flight plan and wait in line like everyone else
Dameon Farrow
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A ton of them on here. Nothing the Democrats do is good enough for them.
It's intentional. They gotta shed some guilt for not voting somehow. And the mirror isn't it for these lazy selfish Tariq followers.
The God Poster
LWO representa
I think you’re mixing the two up. Is training & hiring hard? AbsolutelyTwo people?
Again, you'd have to tell me what agency and when because the other half of my post is about how hard it is to hire, train and retain people.
Federal agencies have a lot of turnover.
OMB tying employee retention to employee experience progress
Kristy Daphnis, the federal workforce branch chief at OMB, said an upcoming cross council meeting of the CHCOs and PIOs will focus on organizational health.federalnewsnetwork.com
Would agencies like to keep good employees? Absolutely
Fact is when an employee has not shown their worth it is routinely hard to get em out the paint outside of probationary periods.
The angle you are going for has more to do with budgeting. Which again even if agencies had an unlimited budget it would be tough to fire people
No it is hard because they have to go through a process that takes months. If they are past their probationary period it requires a lot of documentation, pips etc. The issue is most supervisors don't want to do the work required to fire people
The only way it'll be quick and easy is if it involves embezzling, using government issued credit cards for personal use etc
Federal contractors about to eat big time. I foresee a huge salary markup for contractors replacing Feds.
Yes, don the con has said many times he wants to privatize the federal government. It'll be nothing but contractors if he has his way
And I think you're trying to divorce the too things.
People ain't coming to Federal jobs to get rich.
People don't go to college to get the average federal job.
No, federal space doesn't work like the public sector where, yes, you can't afford to have a bum taking salary--so you fire them ASAP.
My issue is that talking point is made to make the workers overall like dumb and lazy when the issue is and they are protected by overbearing, powerful unions; if there was proper support from the government, to the different agencies, they would have the space to fire more tenured people.
It takes too long and negatively effects the tight budgets to be firing people.
I guess my issue is; Yes, it's hard to fire people in federal jobs...because it's hard to hire and train AND retain their replacements.
Trust me, I have plenty of stories of ghetto shyt happening in federal workplaces. They ain't perfect.
That's not gonna work because you'll lose decades of institutional knowledge practically overnight. Whenever is contractors ran into major issues. We could just dump it on our Government leads to handle. Someone coming in off the street will have zero clue how to navigate such bureaucracy. Hell it took me months just to figure out what people we're saying with all those damn acronyms.
On March 30, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed the Federal Workforce Restructuring Act into law, aiming to reduce federal employment by approximately 273,000 positions by the end of fiscal year 1999. The legislation provided "buyout" incentives of up to $25,000 to encourage employees in unnecessary high-level positions to voluntarily leave, thereby maximizing savings and minimizing the need for disruptive layoffs.
In a statement upon signing the Act, President Clinton emphasized that the buyout authority would allow agencies to target employees in unnecessary high-level jobs, thereby maximizing savings.
The Act also modernized federal employee training laws, granting agencies greater flexibility in selecting cost-effective training methods and emphasizing retraining employees for new career fields where their skills were most needed.
By April 1995, the buyout program had facilitated the reduction of the federal workforce by 102,000 positions, with plans to achieve the total reduction of 272,900 positions through continued buyouts and natural attrition. The program was considered a success in achieving workforce reduction in a fiscally responsible and humane manner.
Dayuuuum (in Keefe D voice)
The God Poster
LWO representa
That’s where we disagree tho. Budget could be limitless & it would still be hard to fire. The benefits of a good union in that aspect(although I have my issues with the union on other things)
I do agree the hard to fire angle is used to paint people as lazy which is far from the truth.
The God Poster
LWO representa
I been a contractor for 4 years and still don’t know them shíts.That's not gonna work because you'll lose decades of institutional knowledge practically overnight. Whenever is contractors ran into major issues. We could just dump it on our Government leads to handle. Someone coming in off the street will have zero clue how to navigate such bureaucracy. Hell it took me months just to figure out what people we're saying with all those damn acronyms.
The Knee Grow
Rookie
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I've been telling people from the jump all that talk about firing federal workers was him hyping his base up with lies. It shows how little be knows about the laws and how misinformed his followers are. Legally they can't even do the payouts because it's not money that has been allocated by Congress. They thought that people were just going to quit after the return to work initiative and they got a rude awakening. Just like the funding freeze he's surrounded by yes people that truly don't understand how the government works or even to manipulate it in their favor. They're just throwing EOs out without clarification or understanding the ramifications behind them. Lol
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