TI really was King of the South

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except TI didnt really set the culture/tone for trap music. Jeezy did.

T.I. did that far more than Jeezy did. T.I. actually explained what activities went down at the trap. He gave you the whole culture from the cars to what the rubber bands meant. What Jeezy did with producer Shawty Redd was take the sound and elevate it. Then you had Ross/Waka and Lex Luger make it to where that sound is now everywhere. I mean, one could argue that T.I. and Toomp did that to an extent because after "What You Know" took off, all of a sudden Kanye had Toomp co-produce songs on his album, Jay, Nas, and The Game were also tapping him for production.
 

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Explain.



Young Bleed is from Baton Rouge if I'm not mistaken. No it's not New Orleans, but still Louisiana.

C-Loc wasn't on No Limit. Young Bleed is the only artist from that label that got promo and a push as No Limit artist.

Mean Green was a DJ and I think he's from Louisiana.

Who from the West Coast Bad Boyz blew up on the strength of being on those tapes?



I never said that the industry wasn't working with No Limit, but it was a long way from No Limit dominating the industry or being sought after the way Lil' Jon was. You can't tell me that No Limit did anything on the level of Usher's "Yeah" featuring Ludacris and Lil' Jon (produced by Lil' Jon). Then there was Ciara's "Goodies" and Petey Pablo's "Freak A Leak".

I know all of those artists were featured on albums from No Limit artists. That's not the same as them having "soldier" songs as singles promoting their own projects like they were with crunk.

Destiny's Child didn't blow up from sampling a TRU song. They blew up off a remix of one of their own songs that featured and was produced by Wyclef. That was their biggest song. And you still can't compare "Let's Ride" to any of the R&B records that Lil' Jon produced. They even dubbed the songs "Crunk N B". "Yeah" is Usher's biggest song from his biggest album. "Goodies" is Ciara's biggest song and it broke her as an artist.

Li'l Jon had it easy after the South takeover. He's a beneficiary of coming after other folk knockin' the door down.

Destiny's Child blew up from that "With Me" remix with the "Freak Hoes" beat.
We didn't even know their individual names before that. The radio used to play the extended mix with 2 Master P verses.

I brought up "Let's Ride" because you brought up how Li'l Jon was making R&B records, like No Limit wasn't.
And it was a monster. I have book by my side right now which says "Let's Ride" is not only Def Jam's 14th most played song
ever on radio, but it is the #909 of the 5,000 most played song on radio ever.

...but I don't see what any of that has to do with T.I. anyway.
 

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It is true. That brand of music was not poppin' on a mainstream level until T.I. Nobody was referring to it was trap anything before T.I. came along. I'm not talking about references to trap or simply using the word. I'm talking about someone actually expounding on the lifestyle and dubbing the content and the music as "trap".

As was mentioned in here (ad nauseum), he wasn't the first the first to do that on a mainstream level
and he wasn't the one to take the ball and run with it.
 

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As was mentioned in here (ad nauseum), he wasn't the first the first to do that on a mainstream level
and he wasn't the one to take the ball and run with it.

:snoop: Who said he was first? Cool Breeze did not blow up making trap records. You know that. Trap Muzik is far bigger deal than East Point Greatest Hits ever was. I still stand by T.I. getting his style from Breeze, but everybody knows Cool Breeze not blowing up is criminal.
 

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Li'l Jon had it easy after the South takeover. He's a beneficiary of coming after other folk knockin' the door down.

Destiny's Child blew up from that "With Me" remix with the "Freak Hoes" beat.
We didn't even know their individual names before that. The radio used to play the extended mix with 2 Master P verses.

I brought up "Let's Ride" because you brought up how Li'l Jon was making R&B records, like No Limit wasn't.
And it was a monster. I have book by my side right now which says "Let's Ride" is not only Def Jam's 14th most played song
ever on radio, but it is the #909 of the 5,000 most played song on radio ever.

...but I don't see what any of that has to do with T.I. anyway.

Most artists who blow up are the beneficiaries of coming after others made headway and sacrifices for them to be in that position. No Limit and CMR are beneficiaries of what Geto Boys, Luke, Eightball & MJG, and OutKast were doing before they blew up.

Destiny's Child did not blow up from "With Me". "No, No, No, Pt. 2" was their biggest record until "Bills, Bills, Bills" dropped.

I never said No Limit didn't make R&B records. My point was that Crunk dominated the industry and dictated the sound far more than No Limit or CMR ever did. Not denying "Let's Ride" wasn't a monster. That song is still nowhere near the monster that "Yeah" was. That song was the 2nd biggest song of the last decade.

It doesn't have to do with T.I., but more so with people wanting to credit P and Juve with blowing the entire South up.
 

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When did OutKast make a trap album?

That's not what you said...you said:

Before Trap Muzik, no other rapper had that level of success in the mainstream talking about a trap.

Outkast was talkin' about the trap before anybody knew who T.I. was.
So now you wanna move the goalposts and ask about a trap theme? Gone wit' that.
 
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