David_TheMan
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TI never was as big as prime Juvie in the south (outside of atlanta) imho. Never as big as prime Master P either.
TI really was King of the South
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Never said that...And 400 degrees era Juvie was big in the streets but so was TI and then TI crossed over and got bigger..and I'm not even much of a Clifford fan but Trap Muzik shifted the entire industry
David_TheMan
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Didn't shift the industry or soundscape as much as Master P or Juvie did IMHO.
P put the south on the map as a legit scene in moving records
Juvie solidified that start with Cash Money, and made the South the standard for the industry in setting trends for all hip hop.
TI I just don't see what he did, Luda was a bigger crossever star and had more radio hits in comparison. IMHO.
Never got the TI hype, always thought it was an Atlanta thing
While 400 degrees hit like a sledge hammer when it came out, Juvi didn't run the label (cash money) who put out the project our have the longevity in the rap game as TI. Master P is on a whole nother level. He changed the rap game period 15 years before TI dropped. Master P is one of the top 1-5 moguls in hip hop history. To compare TI to Master P just isn't fair
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cliff been calling himself that for 14 years now.
This is just bias because neither Master P or Juve took a sub genre mainstream. That whole trap sound didn't have a label or context until T.I. dropped that album.
Master P didn't legitimize The South and neither did Juve in terms of trend setting. You're better off citing Lil Jon in that regard because when P and Juve were hot, it was only the N.O. that was getting shine. Meanwhile, when Lil Jon took off everybody from Nas to E-40 to Snoop to Ice Cube was out here making crunk records. Then you had areas in The South blowing up all over. After crunk took off in ATL, T.I. had trap music getting mainstream attention. At the same time David Banner was putting Mississippi on the map. Flip was blowing up. Then in '05, Houston had a wave of artists that took off. Jeezy came in and revolutionized what T.I. did two years earlier. Memphis had a big year too specifically with "Stay Fly". '06 was the Snap craze. Wayne was taking off. This wasn't happening during P and Juve's respective runs where artists from all over the South was all you heard.
1.) ghetto mafia wasn't local or mainstream. they were regional with national exposure. they were even in regular rotation on BET, outside of just rap city.
2.) I was trying to give ya man some credit, actually.
3.) hey, if you don't want the credit, i'll gladly keep it.
4.) the bolded was my point breh. we're in agreement here. what are we arguing about?
5.) how jeezy blew up is neither here nor there. he revolutioned the sub-genre into what it is. TIP gets the assist but jeezy was the game-changer,
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Taadow
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Taadow
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After I dropped the Cool Breeze reply, I thought about it further and thought about Ghetto Mafia as well.
trap muzik really wasn't even that big of a deal nationally.
the album after that was bigger, and a lot of that was thanks to media hype & east coast pandering.
juvenile had more projects that were GENUINELY poppin than TIP.
the longevity argument is deceiving when comparing more modern artists to older artists. its different business these days. longevity really means nothing anymore. its just rappers who are in favor, being allowed to linger around. TIP has really just been around in the '10s.
the south STILL isn't legitimized, if you want to be real.
no limit put on for the whole south breh. not just louisianna. crews from other parts of the south were poppin up and getting play(slip n slide) or finally getting play(hypnotized minds) in places that they wouldn't have, if it wasn't for master p.
neither no limit or cash money made a particular brand of music to latch onto like crunk, but they had darn near the whole industry making bouncy records.
also, every artist you just named, did songs with no limit. snoop even signed there.
youre listing stuff from '05-06, but the ball got rolling back in '97 breh. of course theyre gonna grow and continue to flood the market more as time goes on. be smart bruhva.
and may I add, that the industry purposely started pushing crunk & snap rappers to the forefront, in order to dumb down the culture. and its blatantly obvious, seeing how that stuff was not selling like that.
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The South is legitimized. Regardless of how some people view The South, artists from every region are making records that sound like The South. That didn't happen under No Limit or CMR.
No Limit was still self-contained. No Limit was not directly responsible for any artist's success that wasn't from New Orleans. He wasn't responsible for getting them airplay.
Both No Limit and CMR made a particular brand of music. It wasn't the phenomenon that crunk became. Neither label had a whole industry making bouncy records. You had Nas & The Bravehearts ("Quick To Backdown"), E-40 ("Rep Yo City"), Too $hort ("Shake That Monkey") and more making crunk records. R&B artists were making crunk records.
Sure, The South blowing up in '03 was a culmination of The South's rise from Geto Boys to Luke to the Dungeon Family to No Limit to CMR to the explosion that it became.
This agenda to dumb down the culture is some ol tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Like I said before, people were making the same claims about P and No Limit even though they had conscious songs, but it was overshadowed. The most blatant lie in that whole post is that crunk wasn't selling like that. Jon put out two back to back albums that went double platinum. There were even R&B artists whose biggest records were crunk records and those songs were the catalyst for multi-platinum albums. Ying Yang Twins were going platinum.
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1) Ghetto Mafia was still a local group. A lot of people outside of GA don't know their music.
2) That wasn't credit
3) Gladly keep it.
4) We're not in agreement. You tried to credit T.I. with popularizing a term when he did far more than that. Jeezy doesn't have a lane without T.I. It wasn't a sub-genre until T.I. dropped Trap Muzik. You're saying he simply popularized a term. I'm saying he made an entire sub-genre mainstream. Big difference. And while we're at it, one of the producers who saw trap evolve from the beginning to what it is now and even worked with both Jeezy and T.I. had this to say in regard to Trap:
I have to throw T.I. because of the way he diversified the trap and took it to a whole different level.
A couple of months ago, T.I. took credit as the originator of trap music. Do you agree with him?
I mean, he took trap universally. Like, you have to understand: When things hit the scene, it comes from somewhere, just like crunk. Did Lil' Jon create crunk?
^^^ Drumma Boy's statements in regard to Trap. Drumma Boy Talks Working With 'Empire' Star Yazz & Why He's One of the 'Originators of Trap'
5) How Jeezy blew up is important because the Jeezy that dropped Trap or Die doesn't sound like the Jeezy pre-Trap or Die. He changed his style after T.I. came out with Trap Muzik.
I love Juvi. I was in New Orleans from 1996-2002. I just think his career kinda flamed out after his second album.I knew I shouldn't have ventured into this thread.
Nikkas disrespecting Juvie Juve and The Snowman! Wow!
