This UFO sighting still always trips be out

[Dwight Howard]

Yeah, but if you google "Best UFO pictures ever", they invariably are some shyt from the 1950s-1970s. Not to mention all the sightings of actual aliens and abduction stories have COMPLETELY dried up.....that was a 1960s-1980s phenomena that came and went with the quickness. Can't imagine "missing time" on "mysterious roads" anymore when you're not getting lost going the wrong way because cellphone is reporting exactly where you are continuously.

And it's not just cellphones that people have now, there are 100x as many high-quality SLRs and DSLRs as there used to be, plus millions of high-zoom point and shoots and bridge cameras. Yet people holding those never seem to be there when UFOs are around.


Flying saucers suddenly disappeared, and high-res pictures are completely absent. Instead we're getting Starlink and drones from someone's cell phones, balloons blowing in the wind in grainy-ass security footage, and low-res radar or infrared from miles away.

Why are you so obsessed with debunking this phenomena. The government has already admitted the shyt is real, several high ranking officials from the military have admitted such. Several government bodies have been secretly created to research such. Being a skeptic isn't an excuse to just plug your fingers in your ears and ignore very serious people.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Dude mentioned the person had to go speak to congress about what he knows and Grusch is the only person that has done that.

He also claims that the conversation was in 2012, and Grusch wasn't even involved in UFOs back in 2012. Grusch didn't start investigating UFOs until 2019.

On top of that, he claims he was contacted via an incrypted Proton Mail account, but Proton Mail didn't exist in 2012.

I thought at first he was talking to a crazy guy, but I googled him and he's probably making it up. His entire M.O. is to go on podcasts and tell outlandish stories about whatever is on the news. He's always talking about celebrities like he knows everything behind the scenes, but no one else ever talks like he is anyone who matters at all.

I honestly could see Grusch mentioning this to get him to take the job and from someone like Grusch's perspective there's no way he thought this bodyguard dude would be able to get on a major platform to tell on him. He probably didn't think this guy would have the little traction he does now (which is not much). It's like telling me or you that info. What could either of us really do with that info that would be taken seriously? Not shyt

Grusch repeatedly says that he's bound by this oath and ethics and can't tell Congress any of the specifics unless they do it inside a super top-secret secure secrets room.....but he can tell them to some random bodyguard he just met who has no clearances and won't even sign an NDA?

Plus, think about how goofy Grusch looks if he thinks that the deep state government is out to kill him......and Big Homie CC is who he's going to go to war with. Grusch has a million military and intelligence connections who could identify government surveillance on him better than ASAP Rocky's bodyguard can.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Why are you so obsessed with debunking this phenomena.

I hate disinformation. I always debunk lies no matter what the subject.

The government has already admitted the shyt is real

See, that's more disinformation. The government has never made a SINGLE statement saying that aliens exist or have ever been here. They've just acknowledged that people sometimes see things they can't identify, but have no proof of anything.

several high ranking officials from the military have admitted such.

Several "high ranking officials" from the military have also claimed the election was stolen. Does that make it real?

Right now, go ahead and tell me the highest-ranking military official who has ever claimed he had proof that aliens exist.

Several government bodies have been secretly created to research such. Being a skeptic isn't an excuse to just plug your fingers in your ears and ignore very serious people.

"Secretly created" lol. All of the bodies created to research UAPs have been created through normal, non-secret channels, and none of them found actual evidence of anything otherworldly.

You don't even realize how many logical fallacies you're stringing together. You don't have any evidence, so every argument you make is an "Appeal to Authority"......yet in reality the authorities overwhelmingly disagree with you, so "Appeal to Authority" doesn't even work for you.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Their first stories the day after the incident hold MUCH more weight to me than the stories they tell years later after the UFOologists told them what to think.

For the first two months, NONE of the kids said a single thing about hearing pro-environment ESP messages. Then an American hypnosis expert who loves environmentalism and UFOs visits them and interogates them closely, and suddenly a secret ESP message about the environment is an essential part of the story? You don't find that suspicious?

First the majority of kids said they saw Black men with dreds and only a small minority said they saw the little grey men from TV. They only saw one "craft" and it was sitting in place, with 90% of the kids not mentioning it flying at all. Then the UFOologists visit, and suddenly they see multiple craft flying around carrying little gray men?

Come on now.

Makes you think the UFOologists are deliberately putting out misinformation because the actual humanoid beings not from earth are black..

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Sounds like David Grusch. Totally plausible.

It’s not him, Bodyguard said this was like 10 years ago.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Dude mentioned the person had to go speak to congress about what he knows and Grusch is the only person that has done that. I honestly could see Grusch mentioning this to get him to take the job and from someone like Grusch's perspective there's no way he thought this bodyguard dude would be able to get on a major platform to tell on him. He probably didn't think this guy would have the little traction he does now (which is not much). It's like telling me or you that info. What could either of us really do with that info that would be taken seriously? Not shyt

He isnt. First one under oath though I think. Congress has been warned about this shyt before. Grusch just came fresh out giving them receipts. Also, there were the pilots that testified under oath with him

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Why are you so obsessed with debunking this phenomena. The government has already admitted the shyt is real, several high ranking officials from the military have admitted such. Several government bodies have been secretly created to research such. Being a skeptic isn't an excuse to just plug your fingers in your ears and ignore very serious people.

Dude does this in EVERY thread regarding this topic.

It doesn't matter what police, pilots, military, military pilots, intelligence officers, CIA operatives, Senators, govenors, or even ex Presidents say about this topic. Data and facts don’t matter

Dude makes these longwinded ass posts about nothing but regurgitating shyt other “debunkers” said.

People don’t even know, debunking is just as big of a business as UFOlogy. Meaning there are people who get paid to try to debunk these things. Thats what Blue Book was all about (dude who ran that program ended up working for Steven Spielberg on “Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind” as a consultant)

This the same nikka who said all 20-30+ kids saw was some short, albino Rastas with big sunglasses smoking weed in a silver van JUST because there was supposedly a reggae concert that went on close by on the same day.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Makes you think the UFOologists are deliberately putting out misinformation because the actual humanoid beings not from earth are black..

Nah they're just chasing a buck, less egregious than the "Aliens built the pyramids!" people

but the Phoenix lights is the one UFO phenomena that still creeps me out

 

[RhymesWell]

It’s not him, Bodyguard said this was like 10 years ago.

Ah okay I stand corrected then.

 

[Outlaw]

Because there's an inverse correlation between how much we know about an event and how much that event looks like a UFO.


Just like how Bigfoot looks less and less like Bigfoot the more in-focus the picture is.

Still waiting for you to debunk this one breh

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Nah they're just chasing a buck, less egregious than the "Aliens built the pyramids!" people

but the Phoenix lights is the one UFO phenomena that still creeps me out

Phoenix Lights was long ago confirmed to be a formation of five A-10 Thunderbolt II planes from the Maryland Air National Guard flying over Phoenix while returning to Davis-Monthan Air Force base in Tucson.


1. A formation of 5 planes from the Maryland Air National Guard was flying in the exact 5-point "boomerang" pattern that was observed, with the exact same lights on that were observed, using the exact commercial air corridor where they were observed, at the exact time that was observed.

2. The only existing video of the event shows that the lights move independently of each other, suggesting that it's not a single object but 5 individual objects (many eyewitnesses also said they appeared to be independent objects, while some thought it was one big objects).

3. Tracking of the location of the sightings shows they were moving 400 mph which proves they were very high up and moving at normal plane speed, not very close to the ground and moving slow (which many eyewitnesses mistakenly assumed, being that it's impossible to judge distance to lights in the sky of unknown size at night).

4. Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley observed them through his telescope that he was using at the time and confirmed that they were clearly planes, which he said vocally at the time to the other people with him.

About 8:30, however, something else appeared--a vee pattern of lights that traveled nearly the entire length of the state in about 40 minutes.

The witnesses included New Times writers. David Holthouse and Michael Kiefer both saw the pattern of five lights move slowly overhead. Holthouse says he perceived that something connected the lights in a boomerang shape; Kiefer disagrees, saying they didn't seem connected. Like other witnesses, both reported that the vee made no sound, and each saw slightly different colors in the lights. Both watched as the lights gradually made their way south and faded from view.

The many eyewitnesses have elaborated on this basic model: Some saw that the lights were not connected, others swear they saw a giant triangular craft joining them, some felt it was at high altitude, others claim it was barely over their heads and moving very slowly. All seem to be describing the same lights at the same time: About 8:15 the lights passed over the Prescott area, about 15 minutes later the vee moved over Phoenix, and at 8:45 it passed south of Tucson.

That's about 200 miles in 30 minutes, which indicates that the lights were traveling about 400 miles per hour.

An alert owner of a home video camera caught the 8:30 vee pattern on tape. Terry Proctor filmed the vee for several minutes. The quality of the tape is poor, and even under enhancement the video shows nothing joining the five lights of the pattern. However, the pattern of lights changes over just a few seconds. The lights clearly move in relation to each other, proving that the lights represent five separate objects, rather than a solid body. This is consistent with witness reports from Prescott, where one light trailed the others temporarily.

But someone got an even better view than Proctor and his video camera.

That night, Mitch Stanley and his mother were in the yard of their Scottsdale home, where Stanley has a large Dobsonian telescope.

He and his mother noticed the vee pattern approaching from the northwest. Within seconds, Stanley was able to aim the telescope at the leading three lights of the pattern.

Stanley was using a 10-inch mirror which gathers 1,500 times as much light as the human eye, and an eyepiece which magnified the sky 60 times, effectively transporting him 60 times closer to the lights than people on the ground.

When Stanley's mother asked him what he saw, he responded, "Planes."

It was plain to see, Stanley says. Under magnification, Stanley could clearly see that each light split into pairs, one each on the tips of squarish wings. Even under the telescope's power, the planes appeared small, indicating that they were flying high. Stanley says he followed the planes for about a minute, then turned his telescope to more interesting objects.

"They were planes. There's no way I could have mistaken that," he says.

The next day, when radio reports made Stanley aware that many thought they had seen something extraterrestrial, he told Jack Jones, another amateur astronomer, about his sighting. Jones later called both the Arizona Republic and Frances Emma Barwood. Neither called Jones or Stanley back.

The Hack and the Quack

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www.phoenixnewtimes.com

Five A-10 jets from Operation Snowbird had flown from Tucson to Nellis Air Force Base near Las Vegas several days earlier, and because this was the final night of the operation, they were now returning. The A-10 jets were flying under VFR (visual flight rules), so there was no need for them to check in with airports along the route. They were following the main air corridor for air traffic traveling that route, the “highway in the sky.” (Why a UFO would follow U.S. air traffic corridors is a mystery.) Because they were flying in formation mode, they did not have on their familiar blinking collision lights but instead their formation lights, which look like landing lights (in any case, Federal Aviation Administration rules concerning private and commercial aircraft lights, flight altitudes, etc., do not apply to military aircraft). The A-10s flew over the Phoenix area and flew on to Tucson, landing at Davis-Monthan about 8:45 pm. Some witnesses claim that it was a single huge solid object, but the sole video existing of the objects shows them moving with respect to each other, and hence were separate objects.

The ‘Phoenix Lights’ Become an ‘Incident’ | Skeptical Inquirer

Until now, the Phoenix Lights were simply that: they were just lights in the sky, skeptics and proponents could agree.

skepticalinquirer.org

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The second event was flares dropped by a different squadron of A-10 Thunderbolts IIs that were part of the same Operation Snowbird that night. We know what squadron it was, who the pilots were, exactly what they were doing, everything:

The second incident, described as "a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky, or slowly falling" began at approximately 10:00 pm, and was due to a flare drop exercise by different A-10 jets from the Maryland Air National Guard, also operating out of Davis-Monthan AFB as part of from Operation Snowbird.[5] The U.S. Air Force explained the exercise as utilizing slow-falling, long-burning LUU-2B/B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four A-10 aircraft on a training exercise at the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range in western Pima County, Arizona. The flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared to hover due to rising heat from the burning flares creating a "balloon" effect on their parachutes, which slowed the descent.[11] The lights then appeared to wink out as they fell behind the Sierra Estrella mountain range to the southwest of Phoenix.[12] The lights likely appeared to block out background stars because of their brightness, making it harder to see dim objects like stars in the areas they laid out.[12]

A Maryland ANG pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[11] The squadron to which he belonged was at Davis-Monthan AFB on a training exercise at the time, and flew training sorties to the Goldwater Air Force Range on the night in question, according to the Maryland ANG. A history of the Maryland ANG published in 2000 asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[13] The first reports that members of the Maryland ANG were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic in July 1997.

Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights.[6] An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles (80–113 km) would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.

At 10 p.m., up to nine bright lights were seen to appear, hover for several minutes, and then disappear southwest of Phoenix in the direction of the Sierra Estrella. Video cameras at points across the Valley caught the string of hovering lights. All nine were visible from some locations, others saw fewer.

In June, however, KPNX-TV Channel 12 reporter Blair Meeks filmed a drop of flares by military planes over the Air Force gunnery ranges southwest of Phoenix. The hovering lights looked remarkably like the 10 p.m. lights of March 13, and Meeks suggested it as a possible solution to that night's second event.

Within days, Tucson Weekly broke the news that the Maryland Air National Guard, in Arizona for winter training, had a squad of A-10 fighters over the gunnery range that night, and they had dropped flares. An Arizona National Guard public information officer, Captain Eileen Bienz, had determined that the flares had been dropped at 10 p.m. over the North Tac range 30 miles southwest of Phoenix, at an unusually high altitude: 15,000 feet. (Captain Drew Sullins, spokesman for the Maryland Air National Guard, says that the A-10s, which have squarish wings, never went north of Phoenix, so they could not have been responsible for the formation of planes seen at 8:30 p.m.)

Those who believed in logical explanations would have to wait four months for the proof they knew was out there when the military, spurred by a June 1997 story in USA Today that brought national attention to the Phoenix Lights, decided to take a second look.

They were flares, said the Air National Guard, dropped during nighttime exercises at the Barry M. Goldwater Range.

That simple explanation didn't fly with those who had four months of mystery on their side.

They were flares, insists Lt. Col. Ed Jones, who piloted one of the four A-10s in the squadron that launched the flares.

Jones, in his first interview with the media about the night 10 years ago, can't believe a decision to eject a few leftover flares turned into a UFO furor that continues to this day.

Jones now is assistant director of operations for the 104th Fighter Squadron of the Maryland National Guard. His title has changed, but his story remains the same.

He and the rest of his colleagues were cruising the night skies of southwestern Arizona on the last night of Operation Snowbird, so named because they were winter visitors. Pilots dropped flares to light the night but had no idea they were about to ignite controversy as well.

On the way back to Tucson, not far from Gila Bend, Jones says, he reminded pilots to eject their leftover flares. Since this was their last night on maneuvers, it was more cost-effective to eject the flares than to offload and store the munitions upon returning.

"One of our guys had about 10 or so left, so he started to puke them out, one after another," Jones says. "So every few seconds or so, when the next flare was ready to go, he hit the button and launched it."

Jones looked behind him and saw an evenly spaced string of lights over the desert, floating ever so slowly to earth. Each was extremely bright, a "couple million" candle power, Jones knew. They seemed to hover because heat from the flare rose into the parachute, as if each were a tiny hot-air balloon. The planes headed for the base.

Jones and the rest of the crew returned to Maryland. Several weeks later, Jones says, "All this stuff just blew up."

News of the unexplainable Phoenix Lights reached Maryland, where the logical explanation sat waiting to be discovered. It would not be until the end of July when it was announced that the Maryland Air National Guard had launched flares that night and were the lights everyone had seen.

"With flares that bright, they can be a lot closer than they seem," Jones said. "Yes, they could have looked like they were right over Phoenix."

https://archive.ph/20120731120420/http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0225phxlights0225.html#selection-859.0-911.145

Alien Lights? At Phoenix, Stephenville, and Elsewhere: A Postmortem | Skeptical Inquirer

Investigations show that famous nighttime “alien light” sightings were all due to objects in the sky, but not the extraterrestrial spacecraft UFO enthusiast ...

skepticalinquirer.org

Heres another site going over the exact specs on the flares:

The Alien Invasion of Phoenix, Arizona

Despite what many UFOlogists want, the famous Phoenix Lights were not alien spacecraft.

skeptoid.com

 

[Dwight Howard]

The second event was flares dropped by a different squadron of A-10 Thunderbolts IIs that were part of the same Operation Snowbird that night. We know what squadron it was, who the pilots were, exactly what they were doing, everything:

https://archive.ph/20120731120420/http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0225phxlights0225.html#selection-859.0-911.145

Alien Lights? At Phoenix, Stephenville, and Elsewhere: A Postmortem | Skeptical Inquirer

Investigations show that famous nighttime “alien light” sightings were all due to objects in the sky, but not the extraterrestrial spacecraft UFO enthusiast ...

skepticalinquirer.org

Heres another site going over the exact specs on the flares:

The Alien Invasion of Phoenix, Arizona

Despite what many UFOlogists want, the famous Phoenix Lights were not alien spacecraft.

skeptoid.com

Again. You can repost debunked bs all you want, but explain why the actual government confirmed the existence of the phenomena and have invested huge money researching such and are holding sessions discussing it. If it's all bs explain that. I'll wait.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Again. You can repost debunked bs all you want,

lol at the lack of self-awareness here. There are people who keep posting debunked BS in this thread, but it isn't me. I brought the receipts to prove what has been PUBLICLY known since 1997 about the A-10s behind the Phoenix Lights. If it's been debunked, then why didn't you debunk it?

but explain why the actual government confirmed the existence of the phenomena and have invested huge money researching such and are holding sessions discussing it. If it's all bs explain that. I'll wait.

The only thing the government has confirmed is that we haven't identified every single object people spot in the skies. And that's something that has always been true and will always be true.

They hold sessions discussing it because people are noisy, and if you're noisy enough you get a discussion. The government held sessions on the big wave of Asian hate crimes too, does that automatically make that real?

No one has invested "huge money" researching such. The total money that has been put into research is minuscule, more at the level of random pork you throw in the direction of a noisy congressman than at the level of "this is an existential threat to our view of reality!"

 

[mag357]

The government: "honestly, we don't know what da fck them things are. They are truly unexplained aerial phenomenon"

Some nikka on thecoli: "nah, this sht ain't real. It's been debunked... De... Bunked"