There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[L. Deezy]

nikkas dissing TI?

have yall ever watched that show? nikka be on there on his job

lmao.. but we gon just act like dude was in and out of jail?


KNOWING he has a family? That shyt is while the cameras are on.

but I dont hate on TI. I like his show

 

[Ziggiy]

I will NEVER agree that Hip Hop is not a culture. It most certainly is and it is something that we as a black race should be appreciative and protective of. Just because it is utilized as a form of entertainment doesnt mean it is not a culture in itself.

Secondly, we shouldn't be looking at rappers as father figures. It is a sad fact that many fathers within the African American community are absent , and that in turn young black youth look to rappers/ ball players/etc as a form of guidance, but in truth a rapper should not bear the responsibility of fathering a generation of impressionable children. That's the job of the mother who spreads her legs and the father who decides to smash without protection.

Not to say that rappers shouldn't bear a form of responsibility for the image they portray or their content. But at the end of the day its the PARENTS own duty to raise their children to certain standards of mental stability and common sense.

 

[Big Mel]

If I think you're refering to who I think you're refering to...Let me just say that guy is seriously no father figure. That guy is too evil and haunted.








I'm gonna put myself on the spot right now. AMG had me thinking eating coochie can control a woman. Ice Cube had me go straight to St Ides when I started drinking and Rza kinda put a battery in my back for sneaking around and smoking dust in 1996. That lil line he says at the end on Method Mans song What The Blood Clot...I coulda swore he was sending subliminal messages to the world to try angel dust.....so I gave in and eventually did. Why? Because I wanted to hear what the Rza was hearing a see what he saw. On another note I tried acid because it was known to blend with Pink Floyd music. Mind you I had both parents in the house and I went to Catholic school. I was equiped with all the necccessary tools to avoid such pitfals yet I still satisfied the curiosity that was set up by certain rappers. That fool who said people who are influenced by music are lost is lost himself......This music sh*t influences and in some ways it raises the babies.

"I got MAAD bags of dust"


I should tell my story of when we drove to Greek fest in jones beach with TJ on the roof of the Cadillac cuz he was dusted.

 

[The Dust King]

dude, your thread is all over the place. firstly i really don't know why you're trying to make these guys in to father figures, then your criteria is more than fukked up, vague, and pretty hypocritical - you disqualified cube cuz he stopped talking kill whitey? like WTF, that wasn't a positive message either, making black people hate white people wasn't going to get us anywhere, yet when he bridged that gap, that's when he was weak to you and couldn't be considered a father i can't take you seriously.

honestly I agree with smokes overall point but his criteria for who he considers the leaders and not is like you said "all over the place"

hip-hop has raised more kids than teachers and counselors and many other positive role models.

with that said you can look at peoples careers and how they grew. much like him I did some drugs thinking hey ghostface sniffs coke, mobb deep does lsd, redman does shrooms but I grew out of that.

everyone is made of the same chemicals but different combinations. music has a heavy influence on the brain and the environment you grow up in helps steer that. everyone is different and judging can only go so far.

I just don't agree with how the op pigeonholds artists in certain positions considering the fact they are older and have grown.

nas has a family, cube has a family. why wuld they spend 100% of there time challenging the status quo and expect to be reaping rewards when there is no benefit?

and mind you they still put there money where there mouth is.

yet russell is putting a whole generation and some of the previous ones in debt with his rush card?

I will only deal with the now because I leave room for growth and change.

the same artists who promote negativity have a duty and responsibility to speak on the positivity and make sure it weighs out the negativity whether that's in there rhymes or its in interviews.

I have read/watched 50+ redman interviews. he does not rap the same way he speaks. not that he is all around a parody but his favorite MC is KRS so you should always learn who is the role model to your role model.

50 says his favorite MC is KRS as well so influence plays out in different aspects.

my overall point is if your going to grant father figure status to chuck d then nas, cube, common and a few others come with that title as well.

executives are pretty much exempt from this position imo.

killah priest said it best on his new album; the elders give us Aura.

 

[The Dust King]

Secondly, we shouldn't be looking at rappers as father figures. It is a sad fact that many fathers within the African American community are absent , and that in turn young black youth look to rappers/ ball players/etc as a form of guidance, but in truth a rapper should not bear the responsibility of fathering a generation of impressionable children. That's the job of the mother who spreads her legs and the father who decides to smash without protection.

you don't have to be fatherless to be influenced by music and culture. there is literally a billion examples of this. it fills a void and sometimes no family or half a family or no family helps foster the influence but like I said above; its brain chemicals.

I should tell my story of when we drove to Greek fest in jones beach

I was brought to greekfest as a kid by older heads because they thought I needed to lose my virginity and I seen things and experienced things that the average kid wouldn't have.

is that responsible? no it is not but those people who brought me had there own influences and that system of culture trickles down.

music had a big part of that. peer pressure and society are seperate psychological structures that reinforce the architect of many humans mental.

there is no point in bringing up rick ross though, he is in his 2nd childhood, same for lil wayne. some one like drake is still a child.

father figure is an esteemed title.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Sorry buddy. I dont take u serious. You made a thread that was stressing that 2 pacs "Keep Ya Head up" song came out in 1996.










Killer Mike you say? Im not gonna lie and say I'm the biggest Killer Mike fan......I'll refrain from commenting on him until I do some research. I remember some album called Monster back in the day and I heard his recent album but I'm not too familiar with his other works. Give me some suggestions.





In all honesty its not about looking for a father figure. Its about being a grown Black man and looking at influential grown Black man acting like teens and then having that image influence the kids as to how grown Black men are supposed to act.

But u do realize that rappers are entertainers right?

 

[The_Hillsta]

AMG had me thinking eating coochie can control a woman.

"And if you have a vertical joyride within reach, do the right thing......eat the peach"

You a fool for that sh1t bruh, got me flashbackin.....On a sidenote though, if you black or mexican on the west coast and born in the early 90's, there's good possibility you MIGHT have been conceived while a Quik/AMG/2nd II None/Hi-C tape was playin......

Just sayin

 

[Big Mel]

hahahahaha


i live next door to a middle aged black woman, same woman who's dog bit me, and she stays drumming up reasons to stop and talk to me. she "just found her 2nd II None" album was the latest. lol.

 

[Jayson_bourn]

None of the people you listed set out to be public father figures

Why would they be father figures when they're not trying to be?

We need REAL fathers for that.

 

[Big Mel]

when i was a kid, i used to wish Marvin Gaye was my dad. random, but true.

 

[Madvillain]

None of the people you listed set out to be public father figures

Why would they be father figures when they're not trying to be?

We need REAL fathers for that.

It's fukked up, but when you're in the public eye, you tend to become a role model whether you like it or not.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Not all fatherless children try to become French Montana or Kanye West....

There are uncles, grandfathers, family friends, sports coaches, and church members who all can also fill that role. Why are you and smokeurobinson acting as if the only option is some new age rapper?

Do kids and teenagers look up to music stars and athletes? Sure. Damn near everyone in here did when they were younger. Just not to the degree you two are trying to paint it. You can blame rappers for not raising kids right. Thats fukking absurd. Hip Hop content was not more 'fatherly' and 'uplifting' in the 90s either, how did that turn out?

Dude...I dont know about u....I've watched you co sign trolls and now u in here challenging me?.......Pay attention.....I Never said anything about new age rappers filling the void of fatherless children. Bottom line.....In todays mainstream Hip Hop grown men act like teenagers and this image has influence.


I'm not saying rappers have to be father figures I'm pointing out how they are not father figures evn tho they are influencing the kids wether people want to admit it or not......and that those who do fall in such category of father figure are countable on 1 hand.

dude, your thread is all over the place. firstly i really don't know why you're trying to make these guys in to father figures, then your criteria is more than fukked up, vague, and pretty hypocritical - you disqualified cube cuz he stopped talking kill whitey? like WTF, that wasn't a positive message either, making black people hate white people wasn't going to get us anywhere, yet when he bridged that gap, that's when he was weak to you and couldn't be considered a father i can't take you seriously.

then you go and say you tried PCP - one of the most fukked drugs out there - most 80's kids learned in elementary that if you were ever to fukk with drugs crack, PCP, and heroin (meth wasn't around back then) were definitely the one's you don't use. emulating silly shyt you see in the videos is expected, but by the time you're old enough to procure shyt like drugs, that's a failed judgment on you if you're doing it b/cuz a said he did it....nikkas love(d) the fukk outta DMX, how many mufukkas are smoking crack to see what he sees?

secondly, if a song can make you go out and try some crazy shyt (i get regular peer pressure, but a song ) there is a gap in parenting and common sense, not the rappers fault. most people would look at you like for saying you did something stupid/illegal b/cuz you saw it in a movie, this is the same thing...

lastly, i did elaborate on your point, for all the sex, drugs, killing, fighting, etc that was in the music i listened to (i'm talking as young as 7 b/c of my older brothers) i knew that shyt was not what i was supposed to be doing, i had parents who built me with more self esteem and better judgment. sorry, the world cannot be child safety proofed for the weak-minded

So basically your saying that Me, 2Pac and Jay Z are weak minded because we took something a rapper said and did it in real life. OK I get it.

Russel Simmons?? The heroin addict??

Where is your father???? Have you ever been on the maury show??

Malcolm X was a coke addict...whats your point?

 

[The_Hillsta]

hahahahaha


i live next door to a middle aged black woman, same woman who's dog bit me, and she stays drumming up reasons to stop and talk to me. she "just found her 2nd II None" album was the latest. lol.

Real talk bruh

Those cats music was a west coast equivalent of Luke/2live Crew as far as the music making birds dance n wanna hop out the drawz, if they would have got R-Kelly or KC on some of their hooks.....

 

[Big Mel]

Real talk she's over there jammin' 'erotic city' by Prince as I type. She stay trying to draw me over there.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

It's not just about the audience though. What about hip hop figures themselves? What is the mortality rate in hip hop? What is your median rapper's savings account looking like? What is the addiction rate, the number of rape claims? In my view hip hop interally is a very destructive culture in which the Jimmy Iovines of the world are taking advantage of charismatic music-minded kids who wild out and flame out in a few years. I mean look at a guy like Benzino and what he did to The Source. There's a lot of people thinking they know what they're doing but living a farce.

Those are all good points, I don't really disagree, though I think it happens all across the board. Addiction is in every facet of life, every tax bracket, every career. People rape, pay hookers, and the like just the same. The difference being is if zerozero checks into Betty Ford no one knows but if Jay-z does it, everyone knows.

As for 'Hip Hop' all these problems are just as bad in rock music. Those rock stars party crazy too. I never heard of Redman shooting up tequila and snorting ants like Ozzy. Rich executives do it. I know for a fact that movie producers and high paid actors in LA partake in all the same stuff they are just not as high profile. Most people don't know who these guys are because they are not celebrities per se but they are doing all the same things, some even more.

My deal is, these problems are not exclusive to Hip Hop or just music. So why do we need to act like rappers have to conform to this cheesy, sing song, kumbaye lets hold hands and be positive all the time standard just because some people can't step in to teach kids right from wrong?