There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[No1]

If I had a dap for everybody who almost read that shyt then scrolled down and was , I'd be rich as fukk.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'm chuckling thinking that the OP brainstormed about this stupid shyt shyt, sat down in front of his pc for an hour, typed it all out, thought he was dropping knowledge in the process, clicked submit, then sat back like

 

[Big Mel]

i like the OP. though.

 

[Wild self]

When Rick Ross was performing in the 2012 BET awards with his shirt off showing his ass crack....it really showed the current maturity level of todays mainstream Hip Hop. Ross is a couple of years older then me and I dont do the 'show my ass crack' thing...Thats what the kids do. I let the kids have they fun. But Hip Hop is entertainment, not a culture as some have been fooled to believe, and Ross is only catering to age level of his audience even if that means reducing what is supposed to be his age level to that of a teenager.



Ross = not a father figure...He's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense.


Jay z = Not a father figure...He's more like a 'styling on you uncle' whos focused on telling u street nonsense over real issues.



Nas = Not a father figure...More like that uncle who's flaws have been magnified by the public but in the end he still gets the respect.


Lil Wayne = Not a father figure....He's a rich 17 year old in a near 30 year olds body.


TI = Not a father figure...The family man gimmick would have worked had it not been for that Crimestoppers PSA. Its sent the message of "i'm only doing the family man thing cuz all that trap work got me negotiating with the FEDS." TI's more like that slick talking cousin whos caught a lot of good luck.



Jeezy = Not a father figure....What father really wants to motivate thugs? Prison is thug motivation...a real father wants to motivate young minds to grow up and be self reliant men and women. Like Ross he's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense but he's cool to hang around with every now and then.



Kanye = Not a father figure....Kanye's more like that smart aleck cousin thats cool to hang around even tho in the back of our minds he might be bisexual.



Drake = Not father figure....Drake is more like that privelaged cousin who is kinda cool even tho he has the aura of a herb.



50 Cent = Not a father figure....50 is that older cousin who is very succesful and your happy thats he's succesful but after a while you notice he's an instigating attention whore. Sometimes its entertaining...sometimes its annoying. He's also the cousin that only wants to be around you to tell you how sucessful he is in life yet he doesnt really care where you are in life he just wants you to listen to his story.



2Pac = Not a father figure......Pac was that older cousin who was killed and we honor his memory so greatly that we overlook the reckless example he left behind.



Fat Joe, Snoop, Bun B and Scarface = See Ross


so who are the father figures??



Chuck D - In the 80's this man stood on stage and screamed "Black power" in front of a sea of white people and they cheered him on. Did you read Chuck D's Book? If not, why Not? He was dropping some real jewels...Like how Hip Hop sends the wrong message stressing street hustling as a means of financial support when there are numerous ways of getting money legaly. Chuck didnt care about Biggie and Preemo making a classic song...he just didnt want his voice associated with the selling of drugs on the song Ten Crack Commandments....Thats what you call standing up for something. When Flava Flav was out there c00ning on reality TV, Chuck D called it for what it was with strong love without throwing Flav under the bus like a real friend is supposed to do. Till this day when the man opens his mouth he's saying something informative. His speech is clear, articulate and well thought out. He'a s Muslim but he doesnt beat you over the head about it. Married man and political activist. This is a father figure.



Rev Run - Remember how the Osbournes show was ratchet before the word ratchet became popular, leaving the impression of what a successful white family looks like when the dad is a rock legend. And then this Black man, who can also be considered a rock legend being that he is in the rock and roll hall of fame, comes behind The Osbournes and shows that not only families but a "Black family" can be civilized and entertaining as well. As a Black man in America, with all the negative stereotypes towards Black folks in entertainment, at some point you had to stop and acknowledge that Run House the show was a good look for Black folks. Definatly a more positive note in the Hip Hop 2000's..The family unity, the positivity, the spirituality....and Run doesnt use profanity. Mind you Run is from Run DMC so the street cred is certified based on that alone yet Run became a man of the cloth so you are left with the impression that this reverand isn't a square and has some "down to earth" in him. This is a father figure.




KRS One - Yes KRS has been caught being contradictory. But thats just being human. This is a man who in the 80's saw Black on Black crime as problem in the urban community, gathered all the popular rappers in the east coast and made a hot song about self destruction within the urban community. This would influence the west coast rappers to do the same with a song called "All In The Same Gang." That was Black unity at its finest in the late 80's and it was started by KRS One. In the 90's KRS would do things to distort his messages....Forget the PM Dawn thing, on the award worthy album Edutainment KRS breaks down the cons of eating meat yet years later he would co sign a song about smoking marijuana with the group Channel Live. The song was called "Mad Izm" and it was real hot when it dropped. So meat is bad but smoking marijuan is cool. Like I said "distorted messeges." Like Nas we have watched KRS flaws unfold in front of us. But philosphies change with times. Didnt Jesus eat from the vine on the sabbath? Yes KRS went from saying he's not a christian to dedicating a whole album to a Christian like theme. But look at what we are pointing at. KRS's philosophies. The same man who was holding a gun on his debut album rapping about shooting a crack dealer named Peter turned into the self appointed teacher. How many thugs out there switched their game up to force you to look at them as some sort of intelllectual to the point you forget they came in the game as a thug?? Most thugs (or wannabes for that) want you to see them as thugs and not the later. Wanting the world to see you as a philosopher or teacher over having the world see you as some sort of street product aimed for prison is a great example of a father figure. Denouncing your criminal mind for a spiritual and intellectual mind is the example KRS gave to the world......and KRS showed that you may stumble with contradictions piecing your philosopy together along the way. This is a father figure.




Russel Simmons - Def Jam has promoted a lot of reckless music while hiding behind the name 'Entrepreneurship' all for the sake of financial profit. Thats called capitalism. There's no moral base in capitalism and thats why Def Jam can go from supporting a conscious group like Public Enemy one decade to promoting Jay Z the ex drug dealer who's all about money, cash and hoes the next decade. Redman taught the kids how to roll a blunt and Foxy Brown named her debut album after her puss. Remember all that hilarious filth from Def Comedy Jam? Yes Russel has made his earnings from things that one could say lacked moral fiber all in the name of 'Entrepreneurship." Russel is a business man. But with all that said Russel has successfully made a reputatation of balancing his capitalistic behavior with spirituality and political consciousness. And thats where the father image kicks in. "Yes I did what a dog had to do in a dog eat dog world but thats just how it is.......I did it the best and now I will enlighten you about my journey and spread my knowledge and wisdom to others every chance I can......let me also add, hard work has made me succesful" This is a father figure.





Sadly there are no mother figures in Hip Hop as well. Queen Latifah held that torch for a minute that is until she took the head wrap off and traded her "mother Earth aura" to be a gun totting weed smoking lesbian gangster in the movie Set It Off. Lauryn tried to revive what Latifah had but she would soon fall in the "crazy auntie" category......After that Foxy and Kim would teach the generations...followed by Eve and Trina....Then Remy and now Nicki.

Interesting. Yeah, Chuck D and KRS are the only real good father figures in the rap shyt. Killer Mike as well.

I blame the urge of remaining young in today's consumer culture. Now, the average 30-40 year old lives like a college student with more money. The average 18-25 year old thinks like a 13 year old with more money.

Common said that "Rap music played a fatherly role" in the ghetto. Its true since we have generations of lost black folk still trend hopping and still materialistic as shot. Imagine one day, someone's grandparent is still waiting on line 4am in the morning to cop the latest Jordans? Or someone's grandparent in the club chasing sex and playing foolish games?

 

[Wild self]

I was watching an old episode of In Living Color where this Black man and Black woman are on a date and the woman says to the man that she likes Hip Hop because of its "political message"....This was in the year 1990 and it made sense that she would say that. You cant say that in 2013. To see Hip Hop in the late 80's go from the biggest Black power movement since the 60's to a Minstral Show in 2013 one cant deny truth and I have to call a spade a spade....Thats all I'm doing.








Its funny that u say that cuz the gullible are many. Didnt Pac say that Whodini had him puffing buddha?? Didnt Fab say he got rid of his X5 because Hov said they werent cool? Didnt Saigon say he was influenced by Mobb Deep and Onyx to be on some hardcore street sh*t as a kid? Didnt Gangster Nip stress that he was influenced by Ice T? Didnt Game tatoo Eazy E on his arm and tell Eazy to his face that he wanted to be just like him?

Man, ain't that some shyt. How can you dispute against that?

 

[Big Mel]

Smoke is good peoples.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I kinda get what the OP was trying to say in his post. But as other posters have said before. We should not be looking to rappers to be father figures. Secondy we don't really know none of these rappers personally. Some of these nyggaz could be real dirtbags in real life behind closed doors. We don't know.

Chuck D and KRS could be doin coke and eatin pork every night and beatin their wives. We really don't know.

 

[Big Mel]

chuck & krs ARE NOT doing those things. I recently saw Krs One with what i assume was beautiful daughter of his in Canoga Park, Ca. I FROZE. Couldn't even talk to him. Legit froze.

 

[Wild self]

I kinda get what the OP was trying to say in his post. But as other posters have said before. We should not be looking to rappers to be father figures. Secondy we don't really know none of these rappers personally. Some of these nyggaz could be real dirtbags in real life behind closed doors. We don't know.

Chuck D and KRS could be doin coke and eatin pork every night and beatin their wives. We really don't know.

Yeah, but what Smoke was trying to say is that black folk, by large, didn't have fatherly figures that they should to combat the ignorance. Many people who get fooled by these images don't have a strong mental foundation to begin with. We have mad trend hoppers, but few true leaders and innovators nowadays.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Yeah, but what Smoke was trying to say is that black folk, by large, didn't have fatherly figures that they should to combat the ignorance. Many people who get fooled by these images don't have a strong mental foundation to begin with. We have mad trend hoppers, but few true leaders and innovators nowadays.

Yeah. I feel that tho

 

[Madvillain]

I was watching an old episode of In Living Color where this Black man and Black woman are on a date and the woman says to the man that she likes Hip Hop because of its "political message"....This was in the year 1990 and it made sense that she would say that. You cant say that in 2013. To see Hip Hop in the late 80's go from the biggest Black power movement since the 60's to a Minstral Show in 2013 one cant deny truth and I have to call a spade a spade....Thats all I'm doing.








Its funny that u say that cuz the gullible are many. Didnt Pac say that Whodini had him puffing buddha?? Didnt Fab say he got rid of his X5 because Hov said they werent cool? Didnt Saigon say he was influenced by Mobb Deep and Onyx to be on some hardcore street sh*t as a kid? Didnt Gangster Nip stress that he was influenced by Ice T? Didnt Game tatoo Eazy E on his arm and tell Eazy to his face that he wanted to be just like him?

People forget how impressionable these kids (and people in general) are.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

at this grown ass nikka looking for rappers he can call daddy.

 

[smokeurobinson]

What about the father figures on the Coli who sit down contemplating making up penis size lengths of rappers and doing their best to have the joke catch on and for Superhead to use it for her book?

If I think you're refering to who I think you're refering to...Let me just say that guy is seriously no father figure. That guy is too evil and haunted.

thoughts on The Rza?

he seems to walk the fine line of being edgy enough to never tread corny waters like the simmons family yet maintain wisdom in the household. He'd likely raise young game changers where Rev Run gave us Diggy.


i think Bun B is a good father figure too.

I'm gonna put myself on the spot right now. AMG had me thinking eating coochie can control a woman. Ice Cube had me go straight to St Ides when I started drinking and Rza kinda put a battery in my back for sneaking around and smoking dust in 1996. That lil line he says at the end on Method Mans song What The Blood Clot...I coulda swore he was sending subliminal messages to the world to try angel dust.....so I gave in and eventually did. Why? Because I wanted to hear what the Rza was hearing a see what he saw. On another note I tried acid because it was known to blend with Pink Floyd music. Mind you I had both parents in the house and I went to Catholic school. I was equiped with all the necccessary tools to avoid such pitfals yet I still satisfied the curiosity that was set up by certain rappers. That fool who said people who are influenced by music are lost is lost himself......This music sh*t influences and in some ways it raises the babies.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I'm gonna put myself on the spot right now. AMG had me thinking eating coochie can control a woman. Ice Cube had me go straight to St Ides when I started drinking and Rza kinda put a battery in my back for sneaking around and smoking dust in 1996. That lil line he says at the end on Method Mans song What The Blood Clot...I coulda swore he was sending subliminal messages to the world to try angel dust.....so I gave in and eventually did. Why? Because I wanted to hear what the Rza was hearing a see what he saw. On another note I tried acid because it was known to blend with Pink Floyd music. Mind you I had both parents in the house and I went to Catholic school. I was equiped with all the necccessary tools to avoid such pitfals yet I still satisfied the curiosity that was set up by certain rappers. That fool who said people who are influenced by music are lost is lost himself......This music sh*t influences and in some ways it raises the babies.

Look, I cant relate to you niccaz that grew up fatherless. I always had my pops and still do. I know my pops started from the bottom but made it in a big way... I never, not even once looked at a Pac video or song and saw my missing pappy. Things that I picked up from rap had nothing to do with not having a pappy...

So addressin this weak ass post above: was your pappy gonna tell you, "nah lil nicca, not St Ides, OE is where you wanna be my nicca..." or "nah nicca, dont smoke dust, shoot this shyt in your veins lil nicca"

Youre just showing that you were weak minded. You shouldnt have been around people because you lacked the ability to think for yourself and you should be embarrassed.

 

[mson]

Look, I cant relate to you niccaz that grew up fatherless. I always had my pops and still do. I know my pops started from the bottom but made it in a big way... I never, not even once looked at a Pac video or song and saw my missing pappy. Things that I picked up from rap had nothing to do with not having a pappy...

So addressin this weak ass post above: was your pappy gonna tell you, "nah lil nicca, not St Ides, OE is where you wanna be my nicca..." or "nah nicca, dont smoke dust, shoot this shyt in your veins lil nicca"

Youre just showing that you were weak minded. You shouldnt have been around people because you lacked the ability to think for yourself and you should be embarrassed.

I agree with you, for the first time that I can remember.