There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[intilectual recipricol]

I agree with you, for the first time that I can remember.

Come on man, you should read more of my posts then. My shyts be spot on, yeah they ruffle feathers because I dont conform to what niccaz be sayin because I think for myself. You dont think those lyrics on my sig are beyond garbage?

Niccaz agree with me, it just aint popular to say because I go against popular opinion when popular opinion is wrong.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'm gonna put myself on the spot right now. AMG had me thinking eating coochie can control a woman. Ice Cube had me go straight to St Ides when I started drinking and Rza kinda put a battery in my back for sneaking around and smoking dust in 1996. That lil line he says at the end on Method Mans song What The Blood Clot...I coulda swore he was sending subliminal messages to the world to try angel dust.....so I gave in and eventually did. Why? Because I wanted to hear what the Rza was hearing a see what he saw. On another note I tried acid because it was known to blend with Pink Floyd music. Mind you I had both parents in the house and I went to Catholic school. I was equiped with all the necccessary tools to avoid such pitfals yet I still satisfied the curiosity that was set up by certain rappers. That fool who said people who are influenced by music are lost is lost himself......This music sh*t influences and in some ways it raises the babies.

I'm sorry but this is weak as hell. That's some truly immature weak minded shyt if every fukking artist convinced you to go out there and try those drugs and brands of liquor. I listened to all sorts of shyt as a kid and nevere jumped out there, never did I decide I was gonna be throwing the p*ssy around like lil Kim, til this day I haven't tried Alize, nouvo, or cristal. Like my parents were always real with me about shyt and raised me not to be on some dumb shyt just cuz I heard someone else doing it, I won't say every kid has the same will power or thought process, but something is missing when music can make you smoke something as fukked up as dust

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I'm sorry but this is weak as hell. That's some truly immature weak minded shyt if every fukking artist convinced you to go out there and try those drugs and brands of liquor. I listened to all sorts of shyt as a kid and nevere jumped out there, never did I decide I was gonna be throwing the p*ssy around like lil Kim, til this day I haven't tried Alize, nouvo, or cristal. Like my parents were always real with me about shyt and raised me not to be on some dumb shyt just cuz I heard someone else doing it, I won't say ever kid has the same will power or thought process, but something is missing when music can make you smoke something as fukked up as dust

And like I was sayin earlier, this explains this niccaz whole postin history. How do we know this nicca is even giving us HIS OWN opinions and thoughts or whether he's just parroting some shyt some other nicca said because he's too weak minded to come up with his own shyt? This nicca just lifted his skirt and it aint ever comin down.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Look, I cant relate to you niccaz that grew up fatherless. I always had my pops and still do. I know my pops started from the bottom but made it in a big way... I never, not even once looked at a Pac video or song and saw my missing pappy. Things that I picked up from rap had nothing to do with not having a pappy...

So addressin this weak ass post above: was your pappy gonna tell you, "nah lil nicca, not St Ides, OE is where you wanna be my nicca..." or "nah nicca, dont smoke dust, shoot this shyt in your veins lil nicca"

Youre just showing that you were weak minded. You shouldnt have been around people because you lacked the ability to think for yourself and you should be embarrassed.

Sorry buddy. I dont take u serious. You made a thread that was stressing that 2 pacs "Keep Ya Head up" song came out in 1996.

Interesting. Yeah, Chuck D and KRS are the only real good father figures in the rap shyt. Killer Mike as well.

I blame the urge of remaining young in today's consumer culture. Now, the average 30-40 year old lives like a college student with more money. The average 18-25 year old thinks like a 13 year old with more money.

Common said that "Rap music played a fatherly role" in the ghetto. Its true since we have generations of lost black folk still trend hopping and still materialistic as shot. Imagine one day, someone's grandparent is still waiting on line 4am in the morning to cop the latest Jordans? Or someone's grandparent in the club chasing sex and playing foolish games?

Killer Mike you say? Im not gonna lie and say I'm the biggest Killer Mike fan......I'll refrain from commenting on him until I do some research. I remember some album called Monster back in the day and I heard his recent album but I'm not too familiar with his other works. Give me some suggestions.

I kinda get what the OP was trying to say in his post. But as other posters have said before. We should not be looking to rappers to be father figures. Secondy we don't really know none of these rappers personally. Some of these nyggaz could be real dirtbags in real life behind closed doors. We don't know.

Chuck D and KRS could be doin coke and eatin pork every night and beatin their wives. We really don't know.

In all honesty its not about looking for a father figure. Its about being a grown Black man and looking at influential grown Black man acting like teens and then having that image influence the kids as to how grown Black men are supposed to act.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Sorry buddy. I dont take u serious. You made a thread that was stressing that 2 pacs "Keep Ya Head up" song came out in 1996.

no dumb weak minded bytch... i figured those bum ass weak ass naS rhymes were from illmatic, his worst album. I couldnt fathom that shyt bein naS' peak lyrically, but apparently it was.

You on the other hand smoked dust cuz a rapper did... a dumb ass rapper at that

 

[smokeurobinson]

^^^^^^^I never said I smoked dust because Rza did....I said he "kinda" put a battery in my back.......The curiosity was there before Rza. And Keep Ya Head Up came out in 1993....Not 96 braniac.

I'm sorry but this is weak as hell. That's some truly immature weak minded shyt if every fukking artist convinced you to go out there and try those drugs and brands of liquor. I listened to all sorts of shyt as a kid and nevere jumped out there, never did I decide I was gonna be throwing the p*ssy around like lil Kim, til this day I haven't tried Alize, nouvo, or cristal. Like my parents were always real with me about shyt and raised me not to be on some dumb shyt just cuz I heard someone else doing it, I won't say every kid has the same will power or thought process, but something is missing when music can make you smoke something as fukked up as dust

In this post all u did was take a shot at me. You aren't elaborating on anything I'm saying. You're more focused on taking a shot at me then the actual topic.......Basically u are saying that weak minded people are the ones who can be negatively influenced by rappers. But as I already pointed out...Those who are negatively influenced by the rappers are many. So in conclusion a lot of people (including the kids) are being negatively influenced by rappers.

 

[zerozero]

threadstarter has a valid point to me. every ecosystem has a culture. Imagine if every Director in Hollywood was Judd Apatow or every pop artist was Britney Spears. Or every real estate mogul was Donald Trump. You'd end up with a truly destructive internal culture. There needs to be some people around who're just chill and business-minded, know how to live life, how to handle the press, how to take care of their health, how to just be successful man.

One good example in both hollywood and hip hop is Will Smith.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

In this post all u did was take a shot at me. You aren't elaborating on anything I'm saying. You're more focused on taking a shot at me then the actual topic.......Basically u are saying that weak minded people are the ones who can be negatively influenced by rappers. But as I already pointed out...Those who are negatively influenced by the rappers are many. So in conclusion a lot of people (including the kids) are being negatively influenced by rappers.

dude, your thread is all over the place. firstly i really don't know why you're trying to make these guys in to father figures, then your criteria is more than fukked up, vague, and pretty hypocritical - you disqualified cube cuz he stopped talking kill whitey? like WTF, that wasn't a positive message either, making black people hate white people wasn't going to get us anywhere, yet when he bridged that gap, that's when he was weak to you and couldn't be considered a father i can't take you seriously.

then you go and say you tried PCP - one of the most fukked drugs out there - most 80's kids learned in elementary that if you were ever to fukk with drugs crack, PCP, and heroin (meth wasn't around back then) were definitely the one's you don't use. emulating silly shyt you see in the videos is expected, but by the time you're old enough to procure shyt like drugs, that's a failed judgment on you if you're doing it b/cuz a said he did it....nikkas love(d) the fukk outta DMX, how many mufukkas are smoking crack to see what he sees?

secondly, if a song can make you go out and try some crazy shyt (i get regular peer pressure, but a song ) there is a gap in parenting and common sense, not the rappers fault. most people would look at you like for saying you did something stupid/illegal b/cuz you saw it in a movie, this is the same thing...

lastly, i did elaborate on your point, for all the sex, drugs, killing, fighting, etc that was in the music i listened to (i'm talking as young as 7 b/c of my older brothers) i knew that shyt was not what i was supposed to be doing, i had parents who built me with more self esteem and better judgment. sorry, the world cannot be child safety proofed for the weak-minded

 

[Pop123]

Why would someone look to any type of music for a 'father figure' ?

??? because fatherless children, subconsciously, are desperate for a role model. naturally, it's gonna be a ball player or rapper or whoever else their little impressionable brains deem "cool" that falls into that position. it's f*cked up but its the norm. most little boys think their dad is the coolest man on earth, when you don't have that you look elsewhere for it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

??? because fatherless children, subconsciously, are desperate for a role model. naturally, it's gonna be a ball player or rapper or whoever else their little impressionable brains deem "cool" that falls into that position. it's f*cked up but its the norm. most little boys think their dad is the coolest man on earth, when you don't have that you look elsewhere for it

i really think people overstate the ways ppl look up to entertainers. in my experience, cant speak for everything/everyone, the kids who were out there with no fathers (or parents in general) looked up to other folks in their hood or other family members. yea, every kid starts off thinking people like michael jordan are cool or that biggie was the man, but around 12/13/14 years old, most ppl start looking at real life ppl they want to be like and/or start looking to their environment (or desired environment - i.e. the kid in the hood that wants to go to Harvard) to provide something to aspire to. yea some 15 y/o in east atlanta may look up to gucci cuz he's actually from that hood, but the kid in st. louis is probably looking and "andre & dem" who are running the hood at the moment. from there, the issue isn't what are these rappers doing, it's what are the available examples doing

 

[dBoyFresh*212]

Russel Simmons?? The heroin addict??

Where is your father???? Have you ever been on the maury show??

 

[Pop123]

i really think people overstate the ways ppl look up to entertainers. in my experience, cant speak for everything/everyone, the kids who were out there with no fathers (or parents in general) looked up to other folks in their hood or family. yea, every kid thinks michael jordan is cool or biggie was the man, but around 12/13/14 years old, most ppl start looking at real life ppl they want to be like and/or start looking to their environment (or desired environment - i.e. the kid in the hood that wants to go to Harvard) to provide something to aspire to. yea some 15 y/o in east atlanta may look up to gucci cuz he's actually from that hood, but the kid in st. louis is probably looking and "andre & dem" who are running the hood at the moment. from there, the issue isn't what are these rappers doing, it's what are the available examples doing

no doubt. i'm not saying it's solely an "entertainment" thing, i'm saying fatherless children look up to ANYONE who their impressionable brains views as cool. not just rappers and ball players, but the local hood n!ggas, hustlers with the chicks and the jewelry, etc... its usually a negative source of aspiration, it's never the local fireman, at least not in the hood. kids looking to rappers as role models/father figures is not a perplexing issue at all.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

??? because fatherless children, subconsciously, are desperate for a role model. naturally, it's gonna be a ball player or rapper or whoever else their little impressionable brains deem "cool" that falls into that position. it's f*cked up but its the norm. most little boys think their dad is the coolest man on earth, when you don't have that you look elsewhere for it

Not all fatherless children try to become French Montana or Kanye West....

There are uncles, grandfathers, family friends, sports coaches, and church members who all can also fill that role. Why are you and smokeurobinson acting as if the only option is some new age rapper?

Do kids and teenagers look up to music stars and athletes? Sure. Damn near everyone in here did when they were younger. Just not to the degree you two are trying to paint it. You can blame rappers for not raising kids right. Thats fukking absurd. Hip Hop content was not more 'fatherly' and 'uplifting' in the 90s either, how did that turn out?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Not all fatherless children try to become French Montana or Kanye West....

There are uncles, grandfathers, family friends, sports coaches, and church members who all can also fill that role. Why are you and smokeurobinson acting as if the only option is some new age rapper?

Do kids and teenagers look up to music stars and athletes? Sure. Damn near everyone in here did when they were younger. Just not to the degree where you can blame Hip Hop for not raising kids right. Thats fukking absurd. Hip Hop content was not more 'fatherly' and 'uplifting' in the 90s either, how did that turn out?

BREH!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm glad someone else on this board has perspective

 

[zerozero]

Not all fatherless children try to become French Montana or Kanye West....

There are uncles, grandfathers, family friends, sports coaches, and church members who all can also fill that role. Why are you and smokeurobinson acting as if the only option is some new age rapper?

Do kids and teenagers look up to music stars and athletes? Sure. Damn near everyone in here did when they were younger. Just not to the degree you two are trying to paint it. You can blame rappers for not raising kids right. Thats fukking absurd. Hip Hop content was not more 'fatherly' and 'uplifting' in the 90s either, how did that turn out?

It's not just about the audience though. What about hip hop figures themselves? What is the mortality rate in hip hop? What is your median rapper's savings account looking like? What is the addiction rate, the number of rape claims? In my view hip hop interally is a very destructive culture in which the Jimmy Iovines of the world are taking advantage of charismatic music-minded kids who wild out and flame out in a few years. I mean look at a guy like Benzino and what he did to The Source. There's a lot of people thinking they know what they're doing but living a farce.