There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[The Ruler 09]

its cool we can agree to disagree.

Your reference to the negative in Hip Hop being the fault of the individuals...This is true. But when there is a collective doing it and no there isn't a major voice speaking against it it becomes unaccountablity. Its like you see it but u ignore it. This why I can acknowledge Chuck D because that lil situation he has with Rosenberg is based on exactly what Chuck is supposed to be doing, accountability. But Chucks voice is small in a sea of wrecklessness. Yes drugs and violence existed before Hip Hop.....But then came The Stop Teh Violence Movement and "Self Sestruction" and "We're All In The Same Gang" and "Human Education Against Lies" to go from that to the having over 2 decades of glorifying selling dope...That has to be called out. Yet there isn't a major voice amongst the so called culture calling it out or putting it in check. 2 decades of drug selling glorification? Come on man. There has to be accountablity. U spoke about the voices that are against the negativity but again those voices are drowned out by the majority. I dont blame Hip Hop for drugs or violence..I'm just calling it out for its unaccountability. U see when there is no accountability for the wrecklessness then to align it with the defintion of "culture" means that we are saying that this unaccountable wrecklessness thats a major factor in the so called culture is OK. Thats unacceptable BUT... wrecklessness is ok if its put in its proper place by acknowledging it as "entertainment"......As "entertainment" wrecklessness gets a pass all day. You can talk about killing people and selling dope all in the name of entertainment and it actually makes sense because its seperates reality from fantasy. But to have unaccoutable dope dealing and violence as the norm and say its part of a "culture" that falls in the category of ignorance. No sane conscious person would put unaccounted wrecklessness within the lines of a "culture" and just accept it as so. Thats not a culture i would want to be a part of....Thats why i have preserved Hip Hop by putting it in the category of "entertainment" because as long as the wrecklessness has the major voice I can only look at it as entertainment.

What about someone like Nas? For what him and Damien Marley did on Distant Relatives? That was a pretty positive album and are pretty big artists. I'm not saying there shouldn't be accountability, there should be to everyone for anything, but I don't see why to throw the whole of Hip Hop under the bus. I don't see Chuck as a small voice, when Chuck talks I listen, same with KRS and others. Some people are talking about their lives and I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that, even someone like Jay Z said he hopes others don't do it, but I don't think they should be denied speaking on their life. There's 100's of voices in Hip Hop calling these things out though, from Will Smith to Immortal Technique to Buckshot and so many more. All those voices together make an impact. I don't think recklessness is ok if you put it into an entertainment category because everything has an effect and influence. Hip Hop is a mixture of entertainment and culture, there's songs and artists that are more entertainment and some that are more culture.

 

[smokeurobinson]

I do understand where OP is coming from so maybe "Role Models" is the better title to use instead of "Father Figures" in the title?.

Look at the list, most of them make sense but hey @smokeurobinson how come you didn't put Will Smith on the list?

I left out Will Smith on purpose out of respect for him being one of the greatest actors of our era ra. But the theme is "Father figure" so let me explain to u why I left him out. When speaking on "father figures" even tho Hip Hop is universal the image towards the Black babies is key here. Will Smith in that movie Six Degrees Of Seperation has a scene that is supposed to be mirror effects but it appears Will is Kissing another man. Also in an episode of the show Fresh Prince Of Bel Air Will was in a dress and lipstick. Neither Chuck D or KRS One would ever get caught up in simulating man smooches and wearing lipstick and a dress. U see where I'm going with this??

 

[drugxglory]

Never looked at Pac as a father figure but he put me up on game my pops never told me before about life and bytchez

 

[intilectual recipricol]

one of the worst shyts ever, but it got me like

 

[STFARN]

It's okay OP, your post flew over everyone's heads I understood what you are saying though.

People are stubborn. and don't want to try and understand what you're saying. It's extremely ignorant too, how everyone is so willing to gang up on someone instead of trying to understand and empathize with someone's reasoning

 

[SirBiatch]

It's okay OP, your post flew over everyone's heads I understood what you are saying though.

People are stubborn. and don't want to try and understand what you're saying. It's extremely ignorant too, how everyone is so willing to gang up on someone instead of trying to understand and empathize with someone's reasoning

Way over their heads.

Story of the internet right there. Cats on here don't appreciate reasoning because they don't have it themselves.

 

[STFARN]

Way over their heads.

Story of the internet right there. Cats on here don't appreciate reasoning because they don't have it themselves.

I was gonna dap one of your posts earlier but I forgot , you got some of the most honest posting on this forum keep it up.

 

[smokeurobinson]

one of the worst shyts ever, but it got me like

My dude. U made me chuckle when I saw this on the first page cuz i automatically knew it was u. But dude...this is getting weird....u gonna up this thread every year or something? I dont know if u bigging the thread up on he low or are on some stalker sh*t, U starting to worry me a lil.

 

[SirBiatch]

I was gonna dap one of your posts earlier but I forgot , you got some of the most honest posting on this forum keep it up.

Appreciate it, homie.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

My dude. U made me chuckle when I saw this on the first page cuz i automatically knew it was u. But dude...this is getting weird....u gonna up this thread every year or something? I dont know if u bigging the thread up on he low or are on some stalker sh*t, U starting to worry me a lil.

Yes. Every year this has to be upped. As a reminder of whats wrong in the world.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

It's okay OP, your post flew over everyone's heads I understood what you are saying though.

People are stubborn. and don't want to try and understand what you're saying. It's extremely ignorant too, how everyone is so willing to gang up on someone instead of trying to understand and empathize with someone's reasoning

nah loc. Nothin flew over anyone's head. It's just that if you lookin to rappers for a father figure then you ARE the fukkin problem.

 

[SirBiatch]

nah loc. Nothin flew over anyone's head. It's just that if you lookin to rappers for a father figure then you ARE the fukkin problem.

We already knew your standards were low from all that Kriss Kross, Twista > Nas shyt, but cmon breh. Don't embarrass yourself.

Best thing to do is troll another thread of The Booth or just log off.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

We already knew your standards were low from all that Kriss Kross, Twista > Nas shyt, but cmon breh. Don't embarrass yourself.

Best thing to do is troll another thread of The Booth or just log off.

Like I said... those disagreein wit me have all exposed themselves as c00ns and cacs... which are you? You stan a nikka rockin a dress