There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[The Ruler 09]

This is just a forum to me bro. I'm not using this as a promotional tool for anything. I've connected with a few people on here, and I hope to on a greater basis too. But my work and activity is 99 percent offline. It's a cool place, because I get updated on shyt worldwide here, and get new music, and see what people are saying, and can research myself too. I'm very busy but I try to pop on here when I can and make a bunch of rapid posts lol. I think anyone who is familiar with my posts genuinely would see a lot of consistency. I have been talking about the same shyt for many years, in a very humble way though, as I'm not a limelight type person at all, I prefer to be the background. I don't even like talking about myself at all lol. I think many people like that are similar to me. But like I said originally, it's really not about me, it's about everyone else... I'm just one person, and I know I have been very sincere, but there are so many others. I'd rather big them up than myself, I only mentioned myself as further credence to the truth of what I said. Let me take a Wise Intelligent, would you not say he deserves some props? Like he's been involved in activism, for black rights and even American Indian rights. And musically hasn't he been largely positive? I don't think that the scale on which one does something solely dictates it's merit. But culturally it's been through Hip Hop. Someone I know who was a rapper lost their memory and I helped to teach them so much through Hip Hop, that's a long ass story so won't go into that but I actually helped them to rap and write again, when this person forgot who I was, who they were, what rap is, what a bird is, a plane, a tree etc. This was done through Hip Hop. There's another rapper, who through Hip Hop overcame severe speech difficulties, they used to have an assistant in school and shyt but they overcame it largely due to Hip Hop and this person is very articulate and is a dope performer too, lyricist and artist/producer. I mentioned Minster Server, if you research some of things he's done, Sever is higher profile than me as he spits and shyt too so he won't mind me name droppin him lol. But Server's whole life is about being positive...

I'll try find a quick video, but Minister Server does a lot of work....



I have done a lot of things, and I have worked with huge companies and artists too. Some people like to stay in the background. But I actively help a number of people whenever I can. Another person I mentioned was Wise Intelligent, I think he should get some props too...




Bambaataa stopped a lot of bullshyt back in the day, he's still around too. How about Guru in regards to what he did with Group Home and shyt? Guru always came across very positive to me personally. Also I think father figures can mean several different things, in some ways Pac was fatherly to The Outlawz , like Storm and shyt when she talks about him, you see that kind of vibe. Remember Hip Hop is young, people grow man, a lot of people become fathers later on, I like the path Cormega is on at the moment , sounds positive. What about K-Rino? Very positive, and I would say fatherly too, he tries to teach and help and support.

Wouldn't you say something like this is very positive?



K-Rino has a big ass clique called SPC, a lot of them are positive cool people that are active in Hip Hop.

How about Brother Ali?

This sounds fatherly to me fam...



And it's not just his own seed he's helped, he's also active in activism too and has helped a lot of people. Another friend of mine who is a HipHoppa did a lot of work for sexual abuse victims. Again I ain't got time to make shyt up, I'm not trying to impress anyone, just wanted to offer another perspective from Hip Hop itself.

I know you mentioned KRS but have you read the Gospel Of Hip Hop book? If I'm correct there were 30-50 other contributors to that beside himself. Was either the book or The Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace anyway.

I take it you have read that document?



What about the people in this video bro?

Stic Man and Lowkey met in the Middle East where they both travelled to help people. Lowkey and politician Tony Benn had an anti war movement organisation.

I'll just wrap this up quickly, this isn't my name, I don't go by this username lol. Infact a friend MADE an account for me back on SOHH and he picked the name for me, The Ruler 777 or something because he wanted me to respond to some bullshyt there, I did and it stuck on forums. I've spent my life helping people man, like for real lol, I don't want any props for it but I think Hip Hop should get some props for it. With all due respect I don't man cause I'm not trying to get merit from you or anybody else, it is what it is. With me out of the equation I've dropped several others. Like I mentioned, people do talk to me on a bigger platform. But I help people to help them not for recognition. Ok I see what your saying, makes sense, but I wouldn't waste my time man, I've been posting for years lol, I doubt you've heard me try to big myself up to boost my own ego any times previously, I'm only saying it due to my love for Hip Hop to show Hip Hop culturally can be and in many cases is positive. I'm not looking for a co-sign bro, not at all but if you'd like to check some of the links and I provided etc go ahead.

Peace.

I found this online too.....

"If you claim to be or to live Hip Hop, this The Hip Hop Declaration of Peace along with KRS-One’s Gospel of Hip Hop you could consider your bible. If you want to preserve and progress Hip Hop in a healthy manner, you’ll probably find yourself in agreement with many of the Principles and the knowledge it holds. If you do so; welcome to the club, go sign the declaration and keep spreading this fundamental document of insights with fellow Hiphoppas.
The Hip Hop Declaration of Peace is composed mainly by Bambaataa’s Universal Zulu Nation and KRS’ Temple of Hip Hop and was formally introduced to the UN on May 16 2001. I for one will always strive, personally and professionally, to honour the The Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace. Promise.
Here is a large image of the original and below are the full 18 Principles provided for your study.

The HipHop Declaration Of Peace
This Hiphop Declaration of Peace guides Hiphop Kulture toward freedom from violence, and establishes advice and protection for the existence and development of the international Hiphop community. Through the principles of this Hiphop Declaration of Peace we, Hiphop Kulture, establish a foundation of Health, Love, Awareness, Wealth, peace and prosperity for ourselves, our children and their children’s children, forever.
For the clarification of Hiphop’s meaning and purpose, or when the intention of Hiphop is questioned, or when disputes between parties arise concerning Hiphop; Hiphoppas shall have access to the advice of this document, The Hiphop Declaration of Peace, as guidance, advice and protection.
First Principle
Hip-hop (Hip’Hop) is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. Ever growing, it is commonly expressed through such elements as Breakin, Emceein, Graffiti Art, Deejayin, Beatboxin, Street Fashion, Street Language, Street Knowledge and Street Entrepreneurialism. Wherever and whenever these and future elements and expressions of Hip Hop Kulture manifest; this Hiphop Declaration of Peace shall advise the use and interpretation of such elements, expressions and lifestyle.
Second Principle
Hip Hop Kulture respects the dignity and sanctity of life without discrimination or prejudice. Hiphoppas shall thoroughly consider the protection and the development of life, over and before the individual decision to destroy or seek to alter its natural development.
Third Principle
Hip Hop Kulture respects the Laws and agreements of its culture, its country, its institutions and whomever it does business with. Hip-hop does not irresponsibly break Laws and commitments.
Fourth Principle
Hip-hop is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. As a conscious way of life, we acknowledge our influence on society, especially on children; and we shall forever keep the rights and welfare of both in mind. Hip Hop Kulture encourages womanhood, manhood, sisterhood, brotherhood, childhood and family. We are conscious not to bring any intentional disrespect that jeopardizes the dignity and reputation of our children, elders and ancestors.
Fifth Principle
The ability to define, defend and educate ourselves is encouraged, developed, preserved, protected and promoted as a means toward peace and prosperity, and toward the protection and the development of our self-worth. Through knowledge of purpose and the development of our natural and learned skills, Hiphoppas are encouraged to always present their best work and ideas.
Sixth Principle
Hiphop Kulture honors no relationship, person, event, act or otherwise wherein the preservation and further development of hip-hop’s culture, principles and elements are not considered or respected. Hip Hop Kulture does not participate in activities that clearly destroy or alter its ability to productively and peacefully exist. Hiphoppas are encouraged to initiate and participate in fair trade and honesty in all negotiations and transactions.
Seventh Principle
The essence of hip-hop is beyond entertainment: The elements of Hip Hop Kulture may be traded for money, honor, power, respect, food, shelter, information and other resources; however, hip-hop and its culture cannot be bought, nor is it for sale. It cannot be transferred or exchanged by or to anyone for any compensation at any time or at any place. Hip-hop is the priceless principle of our self-empowerment. Hip-hop is not a product.
Eighth Principle
Companies, corporations, non and not-for-profit organizations, as well as individuals and groups that are clearly benefiting from the use, interpretation and/or exploitation of the term Hiphop, (i.e. Hip Hop, hip-hop,) and the expressions and terminologies of Hip-hop, (i.e. Hip Hop, hiphop) are encouraged to commission and/or employ a full-time or part-time certified hip-hop cultural specialist to interpret and answer sensitive cultural questions regarding the principles and proper presentations of hip-hop’s elements and culture; relative to businesses, individuals, organizations, communities, cities, as well as other countries.
Ninth Principle
May 3rd is Rap Music Day. Hiphoppas are encouraged to dedicate their time and talent to self-development and for service to their communities. Every third week in May is Hip Hop Appreciation Week (HHAW). During this time, hiphoppas are encouraged to honor their ancestors, reflect upon their cultural contributions and appreciate the elements and principles of Hip Hop Kulture. November is Hip Hop History Month. During this time hiphoppas are encouraged to participate in the creating, learning and honoring of hi-hop’s history and historical cultural contributors."

 

[The Ruler 09]

I found this online too.....

"If you claim to be or to live Hip Hop, this The Hip Hop Declaration of Peace along with KRS-One’s Gospel of Hip Hop you could consider your bible. If you want to preserve and progress Hip Hop in a healthy manner, you’ll probably find yourself in agreement with many of the Principles and the knowledge it holds. If you do so; welcome to the club, go sign the declaration and keep spreading this fundamental document of insights with fellow Hiphoppas.
The Hip Hop Declaration of Peace is composed mainly by Bambaataa’s Universal Zulu Nation and KRS’ Temple of Hip Hop and was formally introduced to the UN on May 16 2001. I for one will always strive, personally and professionally, to honour the The Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace. Promise.
Here is a large image of the original and below are the full 18 Principles provided for your study.

The HipHop Declaration Of Peace
This Hiphop Declaration of Peace guides Hiphop Kulture toward freedom from violence, and establishes advice and protection for the existence and development of the international Hiphop community. Through the principles of this Hiphop Declaration of Peace we, Hiphop Kulture, establish a foundation of Health, Love, Awareness, Wealth, peace and prosperity for ourselves, our children and their children’s children, forever.
For the clarification of Hiphop’s meaning and purpose, or when the intention of Hiphop is questioned, or when disputes between parties arise concerning Hiphop; Hiphoppas shall have access to the advice of this document, The Hiphop Declaration of Peace, as guidance, advice and protection.
First Principle
Hip-hop (Hip’Hop) is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. Ever growing, it is commonly expressed through such elements as Breakin, Emceein, Graffiti Art, Deejayin, Beatboxin, Street Fashion, Street Language, Street Knowledge and Street Entrepreneurialism. Wherever and whenever these and future elements and expressions of Hip Hop Kulture manifest; this Hiphop Declaration of Peace shall advise the use and interpretation of such elements, expressions and lifestyle.
Second Principle
Hip Hop Kulture respects the dignity and sanctity of life without discrimination or prejudice. Hiphoppas shall thoroughly consider the protection and the development of life, over and before the individual decision to destroy or seek to alter its natural development.
Third Principle
Hip Hop Kulture respects the Laws and agreements of its culture, its country, its institutions and whomever it does business with. Hip-hop does not irresponsibly break Laws and commitments.
Fourth Principle
Hip-hop is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. As a conscious way of life, we acknowledge our influence on society, especially on children; and we shall forever keep the rights and welfare of both in mind. Hip Hop Kulture encourages womanhood, manhood, sisterhood, brotherhood, childhood and family. We are conscious not to bring any intentional disrespect that jeopardizes the dignity and reputation of our children, elders and ancestors.
Fifth Principle
The ability to define, defend and educate ourselves is encouraged, developed, preserved, protected and promoted as a means toward peace and prosperity, and toward the protection and the development of our self-worth. Through knowledge of purpose and the development of our natural and learned skills, Hiphoppas are encouraged to always present their best work and ideas.
Sixth Principle
Hiphop Kulture honors no relationship, person, event, act or otherwise wherein the preservation and further development of hip-hop’s culture, principles and elements are not considered or respected. Hip Hop Kulture does not participate in activities that clearly destroy or alter its ability to productively and peacefully exist. Hiphoppas are encouraged to initiate and participate in fair trade and honesty in all negotiations and transactions.
Seventh Principle
The essence of hip-hop is beyond entertainment: The elements of Hip Hop Kulture may be traded for money, honor, power, respect, food, shelter, information and other resources; however, hip-hop and its culture cannot be bought, nor is it for sale. It cannot be transferred or exchanged by or to anyone for any compensation at any time or at any place. Hip-hop is the priceless principle of our self-empowerment. Hip-hop is not a product.
Eighth Principle
Companies, corporations, non and not-for-profit organizations, as well as individuals and groups that are clearly benefiting from the use, interpretation and/or exploitation of the term Hiphop, (i.e. Hip Hop, hip-hop,) and the expressions and terminologies of Hip-hop, (i.e. Hip Hop, hiphop) are encouraged to commission and/or employ a full-time or part-time certified hip-hop cultural specialist to interpret and answer sensitive cultural questions regarding the principles and proper presentations of hip-hop’s elements and culture; relative to businesses, individuals, organizations, communities, cities, as well as other countries.
Ninth Principle
May 3rd is Rap Music Day. Hiphoppas are encouraged to dedicate their time and talent to self-development and for service to their communities. Every third week in May is Hip Hop Appreciation Week (HHAW). During this time, hiphoppas are encouraged to honor their ancestors, reflect upon their cultural contributions and appreciate the elements and principles of Hip Hop Kulture. November is Hip Hop History Month. During this time hiphoppas are encouraged to participate in the creating, learning and honoring of hi-hop’s history and historical cultural contributors.

Tenth Principle
Hiphoppas are encouraged to build meaningful and lasting relationships that rest upon love, trust, equality and respect. Hiphoppas are encouraged not to cheat, abuse, or deceive their friends.
Eleventh Principle
The hip-hop community exists as an international culture of consciousness that provides all races, tribes, religions and styles of people a foundation for the communication of their best ideas and works. Hip Hop Kulture is united as one multi-skilled, multi-cultural, multi-faith, multi-racial people committed to the establishment and the development of peace.
Twelfth Principle
Hip Hop Kulture does not intentionally or voluntarily participate in any form of hate, deceit, prejudice or theft at any time. At no time shall Hip Hop Kulture engage in any violent war within itself. Those who intentionally violate the principles of this Declaration of Peace or intentionally reject its advice, forfeit by their own actions the protections set forth herein.
Thirteenth Principle
Hip Hop Kulture rejects the immature impulse for unwarranted acts of violence and always seeks diplomatic, non-violent strategies in the settlement of all disputes. Hiphoppas are encouraged to consider forgiveness and understanding before any act of retaliation. War is reserved as a final solution when there is evidence that all other means of diplomatic negotiation have failed repeatedly.
Fourteenth Principle
Hiphoppas are encouraged to eliminate poverty, speak out against injustice and shape a more caring society and a more peaceful world. Hip Hop Kulture supports a dialogue and action that heals divisions in society, addresses the legitimate concerns of humankind and advances the cause of peace.
Fifteenth Principle
Hiphoppas respect and learn from the ways of Nature, regardless of where we are on this planet. Hip Hop Kulture holds sacred our duty to contribute to our own survival as independent, free-thinking beings in and throughout the Universe. This planet, commonly known as Earth is our nurturing parent and hiphoppas are encouraged to respect Nature and all creations and inhabitants of Nature.
Sixteenth Principle
Hip-hop’s pioneers, legends, teachas, elders, and ancestors shall not be inaccurately quoted, misrepresented, or disrespected at anytime. No one should profess to be a hip-hop pioneer or legend unless they can prove with facts and/or witnesses their credibility and contributions to Hip Hop Kulture.
Seventeenth Principle
Hiphoppas are encouraged to share resources. Hiphoppas should give as freely and as often as possible. It is the duty of every hiphoppa to assist, whenever possible, in the relief of human suffering and in the correction of injustice. Hip-hop is shown the highest respect when hiphoppas respect each other. Hiphop Kulture is preserved, nurtured and developed when Hiphoppas preserve, nurture and develop one another.
Eighteenth Principle
Hip Hop Kulture maintains a healthy, caring and wealthy, central hip-hop guild fully aware and invested with the power to promote, teach, interpret, modify and defend the principles of this Hip Hop Declaration of Peace.

 

[Mac Casper]

Why would someone look to any type of music for a 'father figure' ?

OP was serious too

 

[smokeurobinson]

I'll just wrap this up quickly, this isn't my name, I don't go by this username lol. Infact a friend MADE an account for me back on SOHH and he picked the name for me, The Ruler 777 or something because he wanted me to respond to some bullshyt there, I did and it stuck on forums. I've spent my life helping people man, like for real lol, I don't want any props for it but I think Hip Hop should get some props for it. With all due respect I don't man cause I'm not trying to get merit from you or anybody else, it is what it is. With me out of the equation I've dropped several others. Like I mentioned, people do talk to me on a bigger platform. But I help people to help them not for recognition. Ok I see what your saying, makes sense, but I wouldn't waste my time man, I've been posting for years lol, I doubt you've heard me try to big myself up to boost my own ego any times previously, I'm only saying it due to my love for Hip Hop to show Hip Hop culturally can be and in many cases is positive. I'm not looking for a co-sign bro, not at all but if you'd like to check some of the links and I provided etc go ahead.

Peace.

U made some very interesting points but my original statement still stands that Hip Hop is entertainment and no longer a culture. You mentioned a lot of activism by rappers that were low key. Meanwhile the babies aren't being fed by whats low key. Their being fed what they hear and see. And what they see is sex drugs and violence. Yes, I am refering to rap music because rap music has permiated as the bigger voice. The babies aren't concerned with what Wise Intellegent is doing on the low..there more interested in buying Truckfit because Weezy said it was cool. The babies are drilling and calling young Black females "thots" because Cheif Keef made that hot....Diddy promotes Ciroc next thing u know the whole hood is drinking Ciroc.
Low Key goes unnoticed. When ferefing to "culture" we have to focus on what affects the babies...Not what they dont see. Saigon has an organization called Abandoned Nation which involves children who were orphaned after their parents go to prison. Yet when speaking on Saigon now the focus is more on Love and Hip Hop nonsense. Community activism existed before Hip Hop. Cant lean towards the quiet work as a means for justifying calling Hip Hop a culture...thats actually a reach. The babies are being influenced by the music and what they see...Not what they dont see. Culture involves community activity and the hood doesnt boycott stores that sell white owls and 40 ounces. They actually support 40 ounces and white owls and dutches. The hood aint boycotting Liquor stores. The weed man gets love in the hood, he doesnt have a lynch mob after him. We are in a state where life is imitating art and to deny this reality is to turn an eye....and if u are refering to the community u cant turn an eye to the real issues.

 

[Yinny]

That it persists as a platform for violence, misogyny, and self-destruction has always been a mystery to me. But above all else the incredible dearth of subject material pisses me the hell off, one of the most notable genres that's actually declined in diversity of crews and lanes, shyt sucks.

 

[Yinny]

dbl

 

[The Ruler 09]

U made some very interesting points but my original statement still stands that Hip Hop is entertainment and no longer a culture. You mentioned a lot of activism by rappers that were low key. Meanwhile the babies aren't being fed by whats low key. Their being fed what they hear and see. And what they see is sex drugs and violence. Yes, I am refering to rap music because rap music has permiated as the bigger voice. The babies aren't concerned with what Wise Intellegent is doing on the low..there more interested in buying Truckfit because Weezy said it was cool. The babies are drilling and calling young Black females "thots" because Cheif Keef made that hot....Diddy promotes Ciroc next thing u know the whole hood is drinking Ciroc.
Low Key goes unnoticed. When ferefing to "culture" we have to focus on what affects the babies...Not what they dont see. Saigon has an organization called Abandoned Nation which involves children who were orphaned after their parents go to prison. Yet when speaking on Saigon now the focus is more on Love and Hip Hop nonsense. Community activism existed before Hip Hop. Cant lean towards the quiet work as a means for justifying calling Hip Hop a culture...thats actually a reach. The babies are being influenced by the music and what they see...Not what they dont see. Culture involves community activity and the hood doesnt boycott stores that sell white owls and 40 ounces. They actually support 40 ounces and white owls and dutches. The hood aint boycotting Liquor stores. The weed man gets love in the hood, he doesnt have a lynch mob after him. We are in a state where life is imitating art and to deny this reality is to turn an eye....and if u are refering to the community u cant turn an eye to the real issues.

Ok man, we will agree to disagree on this one. Cause my point was the good works were done in, and in some cases inspired by Hip Hop culture. I don't think Hip Hop can be blamed for drugs as there was drugs back in the day too, Hip Hop has it's fair share of anti drugs, and even anti violence songs too. I know it has the negative too, but we can't help that, I don't think that's Hip Hop's fault but individuals. Before Hip Hop was a world force there was mad murders, gangs, drug abuse and all that. But even lowkey it's still Hip Hop culture, because it's being done in the name of Hip Hop. And I'm not sure KRS-One, Chuck D and them are THAT lowkey like nobody knows them at all, KRS for instance tours worldwide, internationally known and respected etc. I'm not sure someone completely unknown could go to the U.N and present the Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace like that. The book been sold internationally, members of the Zulu nation internationally too. From Malcolm X days people have looked up the drug dealers and people with money like that, that's just the way it is, cause they think it's glamorous cause someone's flashy, at least Hip Hop has voices within that are against that. I think your blaming Hip Hop for things that were around before Hip Hop was a global force, have some artists perpetuated things and not helped? Yes... But you have yin and yang in life. But some of the babies/youth are being fed, cause like I mentioned I fed people, there's another rapper, I forget who it is, used to go buy food every xmas for all the kids in the worst projects, didn't RZA do that too?. It's done on a level where it hits the streets, so under the radar some people aren't noticing, but it's still saving lives and helping and supporting lives through Hip Hop. To me that counts for something. If a child is getting influenced by negative influeneces it's also the parents responsibility to instill morality and good views, because you could apply this to porn, or I don't know.. violent films, or whatever too, but I wouldn't say it makes films bad.. cause films can be used to do some good too wouldn't you say?

 

[Methodical]

What about the father figures on the Coli who sit down contemplating making up penis size lengths of rappers and doing their best to have the joke catch on and for Superhead to use it for her book?

I remember that shyt.

 

[infamousred]

 

[CASHAPP]

Look to grown men you never met in your life as father figures brehs

 

[Freedman]

nikkas is @ Thinking rap nikkas could be father figures

and then get to crying about how the music is negatively influencing the youth

 

[smokeurobinson]

Ok man, we will agree to disagree on this one. Cause my point was the good works were done in, and in some cases inspired by Hip Hop culture. I don't think Hip Hop can be blamed for drugs as there was drugs back in the day too, Hip Hop has it's fair share of anti drugs, and even anti violence songs too. I know it has the negative too, but we can't help that, I don't think that's Hip Hop's fault but individuals. Before Hip Hop was a world force there was mad murders, gangs, drug abuse and all that. But even lowkey it's still Hip Hop culture, because it's being done in the name of Hip Hop. And I'm not sure KRS-One, Chuck D and them are THAT lowkey like nobody knows them at all, KRS for instance tours worldwide, internationally known and respected etc. I'm not sure someone completely unknown could go to the U.N and present the Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace like that. The book been sold internationally, members of the Zulu nation internationally too. From Malcolm X days people have looked up the drug dealers and people with money like that, that's just the way it is, cause they think it's glamorous cause someone's flashy, at least Hip Hop has voices within that are against that. I think your blaming Hip Hop for things that were around before Hip Hop was a global force, have some artists perpetuated things and not helped? Yes... But you have yin and yang in life. But some of the babies/youth are being fed, cause like I mentioned I fed people, there's another rapper, I forget who it is, used to go buy food every xmas for all the kids in the worst projects, didn't RZA do that too?. It's done on a level where it hits the streets, so under the radar some people aren't noticing, but it's still saving lives and helping and supporting lives through Hip Hop. To me that counts for something. If a child is getting influenced by negative influeneces it's also the parents responsibility to instill morality and good views, because you could apply this to porn, or I don't know.. violent films, or whatever too, but I wouldn't say it makes films bad.. cause films can be used to do some good too wouldn't you say?

its cool we can agree to disagree.

Your reference to the negative in Hip Hop being the fault of the individuals...This is true. But when there is a collective doing it and no there isn't a major voice speaking against it it becomes unaccountablity. Its like you see it but u ignore it. This why I can acknowledge Chuck D because that lil situation he has with Rosenberg is based on exactly what Chuck is supposed to be doing, accountability. But Chucks voice is small in a sea of wrecklessness. Yes drugs and violence existed before Hip Hop.....But then came The Stop Teh Violence Movement and "Self Sestruction" and "We're All In The Same Gang" and "Human Education Against Lies" to go from that to the having over 2 decades of glorifying selling dope...That has to be called out. Yet there isn't a major voice amongst the so called culture calling it out or putting it in check. 2 decades of drug selling glorification? Come on man. There has to be accountablity. U spoke about the voices that are against the negativity but again those voices are drowned out by the majority. I dont blame Hip Hop for drugs or violence..I'm just calling it out for its unaccountability. U see when there is no accountability for the wrecklessness then to align it with the defintion of "culture" means that we are saying that this unaccountable wrecklessness thats a major factor in the so called culture is OK. Thats unacceptable BUT... wrecklessness is ok if its put in its proper place by acknowledging it as "entertainment"......As "entertainment" wrecklessness gets a pass all day. You can talk about killing people and selling dope all in the name of entertainment and it actually makes sense because its seperates reality from fantasy. But to have unaccoutable dope dealing and violence as the norm and say its part of a "culture" that falls in the category of ignorance. No sane conscious person would put unaccounted wrecklessness within the lines of a "culture" and just accept it as so. Thats not a culture i would want to be a part of....Thats why i have preserved Hip Hop by putting it in the category of "entertainment" because as long as the wrecklessness has the major voice I can only look at it as entertainment.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Look to grown men you never met in your life as father figures brehs

nikkas is @ Thinking rap nikkas could be father figures

and then get to crying about how the music is negatively influencing the youth

You two are saying that from a 2014 perspective. You speak as if u weren't there when the song "Self Destruction" was big in Hip Hop. That song alone gave the impression that Hip Hop can collectively change the politics of the urban conditions. "All In The Same Gang" was a song where all the biggest westcoast rappers collectively came together to address the gang violence. These were the actions of men. To go from that to Rick Ross singing about selling dope with his pants hanging down at the BET awards is acknowledging how Hip Hop has taken a step backwards with its political voice as the years have passed. I think I have a fair assesment when acknowledging the lack of "father figures" in Hip Hop. Its actually sad to see how as decades have passed rappers collectively gave away their political voice to convince the world that they are criminals.

 

[Archimedes]

I agree that you have to give people a chance to change but I still look at russel simmons funny. This nikka used to smoke h, snort cocaine and whatever other crazy shyt. now he a old man pushing veganism and shyt.

 

[Methodical]

I do understand where OP is coming from so maybe "Role Models" is the better title to use instead of "Father Figures" in the title?.

Look at the list, most of them make sense but hey @smokeurobinson how come you didn't put Will Smith on the list?