There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Dude...I dont know about u....I've watched you co sign trolls and now u in here challenging me?.......Pay attention.....I Never said anything about new age rappers filling the void of fatherless children. Bottom line.....In todays mainstream Hip Hop grown men act like teenagers and this image has influence.

Co sign trolls? You mean understand what a joke is and not get worked up about it? I call that paying attention and laughing. You can call it co signing all you want.

You said Hip Hop doesn't have father figures, you named a ton of people who either have a career on life support or are at the end of their career. If you want hip hop to 'grow up' then the new rappers who are leading the pack need to do that....pretty simple.

In todays mainstream hip hop grown men act like teenagers? So that didn't happen in the 90s huh? This nostalgic bullshyt about the 90s really needs to stop. Like 30 year old men didn't spend time rapping about house parties, fukking mad bytches, fancy designer clothes, and cars in the 90s?

 

[CHITLING flavored CEREAL]

I'm all for more maturity and seriousness in hip-hop, but "father figures"?

i think the ts is on point with what he is trying to say but "father figure" was just the wrong set of words used.... people trying to downplay the influence rappers have in shaping some people's daily lives, thoughts and actions all you need to do is look around.

 

[CHITLING flavored CEREAL]

honestly I agree with smokes overall point but his criteria for who he considers the leaders and not is like you said "all over the place"

hip-hop has raised more kids than teachers and counselors and many other positive role models.

with that said you can look at peoples careers and how they grew. much like him I did some drugs thinking hey ghostface sniffs coke, mobb deep does lsd, redman does shrooms but I grew out of that.

everyone is made of the same chemicals but different combinations. music has a heavy influence on the brain and the environment you grow up in helps steer that. everyone is different and judging can only go so far.

I just don't agree with how the op pigeonholds artists in certain positions considering the fact they are older and have grown.

nas has a family, cube has a family. why wuld they spend 100% of there time challenging the status quo and expect to be reaping rewards when there is no benefit?

and mind you they still put there money where there mouth is.

yet russell is putting a whole generation and some of the previous ones in debt with his rush card?

I will only deal with the now because I leave room for growth and change.

the same artists who promote negativity have a duty and responsibility to speak on the positivity and make sure it weighs out the negativity whether that's in there rhymes or its in interviews.

I have read/watched 50+ redman interviews. he does not rap the same way he speaks. not that he is all around a parody but his favorite MC is KRS so you should always learn who is the role model to your role model.

50 says his favorite MC is KRS as well so influence plays out in different aspects.

my overall point is if your going to grant father figure status to chuck d then nas, cube, common and a few others come with that title as well.

executives are pretty much exempt from this position imo.

killah priest said it best on his new album; the elders give us Aura.

this

 

[smokeurobinson]

I will NEVER agree that Hip Hop is not a culture. It most certainly is and it is something that we as a black race should be appreciative and protective of. Just because it is utilized as a form of entertainment doesnt mean it is not a culture in itself.

You made some good points but I wanna focus on this statement u made here.......If Hip Hop is a culture then when doesn't anything get checked? If Pac and Jay Z make it seem that its ok to brag about having sex with another mans woman and it doesn't get checked then thats a very destructive culture. Why would I want to protect something like that? If it goes unchecked then it tells the world that its OK. We have also seen the "selling of ones soul" go unchecked. If I'm a studio gangster that means I tell lies to the people for profit. And that too goes unchecked. Your basically saying that this unchecked culture must be protected......I cant co sign that......I can only co sign the reckless behavior by calling it what it really is...ENTERTAINMENT...not a culture.

"I got MAAD bags of dust"

I got...I got....I got like 4 bottles of Moet...

"And if you have a vertical joyride within reach, do the right thing......eat the peach"

You a fool for that sh1t bruh, got me flashbackin.....On a sidenote though, if you black or mexican on the west coast and born in the early 90's, there's good possibility you MIGHT have been conceived while a Quik/AMG/2nd II None/Hi-C tape was playin......

Just sayin

Mind you....I was listening to AMG heavy while I was still a virgin so I'm really taking notes as if he really was droping jewels. Then Quik came right behind that and said "You can get a girl sprung, if you lick the pearl tongue."

None of the people you listed set out to be public father figures

Why would they be father figures when they're not trying to be?

We need REAL fathers for that.

with that said then guess what.....Hip Hop is in serious trouble because those 4 are the closest examples to being father figures there is.

 

[Wild self]

Sorry buddy. I dont take u serious. You made a thread that was stressing that 2 pacs "Keep Ya Head up" song came out in 1996.










Killer Mike you say? Im not gonna lie and say I'm the biggest Killer Mike fan......I'll refrain from commenting on him until I do some research. I remember some album called Monster back in the day and I heard his recent album but I'm not too familiar with his other works. Give me some suggestions.











In all honesty its not about looking for a father figure. Its about being a grown Black man and looking at influential grown Black man acting like teens and then having that image influence the kids as to how grown Black men are supposed to act.

Killer Mike is the southern Ice Cube. His subject matter is on some other shyt. He deads the stereotype that all black southerners don't care about black folks and the influences that fuel ignorance.

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[Big Mel]

Yo that nikka Dirty b*stard is crazy, God


nikka fukk wit a napkin on his dikk

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

 

[smokeurobinson]

Real talk she's over there jammin' 'erotic city' by Prince as I type. She stay trying to draw me over there.

How she look? Post pic.

Co sign trolls? You mean understand what a joke is and not get worked up about it? I call that paying attention and laughing. You can call it co signing all you want.

You said Hip Hop doesn't have father figures, you named a ton of people who either have a career on life support or are at the end of their career. If you want hip hop to 'grow up' then the new rappers who are leading the pack need to do that....pretty simple.

In todays mainstream hip hop grown men act like teenagers? So that didn't happen in the 90s huh? This nostalgic bullshyt about the 90s really needs to stop. Like 30 year old men didn't spend time rapping about house parties, fukking mad bytches, fancy designer clothes, and cars in the 90s?

In the 90's Farrakhan was real big amongst the hip hop community...His influence was the father figure that was necceessary to balance out the overgrown adolenence you spaak of. I never said anything about wanting hip hop to grow up...Thats impossible when Hip Hop is for the kids like Ioriginally said. And thats another terrible comparison because Hip Hop in the 90's was just starting to takeover mainstream where as compared today its everywhere. By the mid 90's VH1 was still only playing white music. By 95 they would do Black music only after midnight and it was always mainstream R&B. Today Vh1 and hip hop realted reality shows are hand and hand. The inlfuence of the 90's cant be compared to now.

 

[Wild self]

How she look? Post pic.







In the 90's Farrakhan was real big amongst the hip hop community...His influence was the father figure that was necceessary to balance out the overgrown adolenence you spaak of. I never said anything about wanting hip hop to grow up...Thats impossible when Hip Hop is for the kids like Ioriginally said. And thats another terrible comparison because Hip Hop in the 90's was just starting to takeover mainstream where as compared today its everywhere. By the mid 90's VH1 was still only playing white music. By 95 they would do Black music only after midnight and it was always mainstream R&B. Today Vh1 and hip hop realted reality shows are hand and hand. The inlfuence of the 90's cant be compared to now.

That's another thing of the 90s that I miss. Pro-black leaders still being active in our culture and deading beefs from high profile MCs. Hip Hop created a mass influx of immaturity of grown ass people, who act at least 10 years immature of their actual age. Hell, the concept of a family man is frowned upon Hip Hop; ask Ice Cube or Jay-Z on how the public like their favorite rappers happily married and having kids. They rather see them still in the club and fukking hoes, even in their mid 40s.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

In the 90's Farrakhan was real big amongst the hip hop community...His influence was the father figure that was necceessary to balance out the overgrown adolenence you spaak of. I never said anything about wanting hip hop to grow up...Thats impossible when Hip Hop is for the kids like Ioriginally said. And thats another terrible comparison because Hip Hop in the 90's was just starting to takeover mainstream where as compared today its everywhere. By the mid 90's VH1 was still only playing white music. By 95 they would do Black music only after midnight and it was always mainstream R&B. Today Vh1 and hip hop realted reality shows are hand and hand. The inlfuence of the 90's cant be compared to now.

Sure it can because more records were being sold versus now. Tupac sold more records from 94-98 than 85% of Hip Hop in the last 10 years. If you take away Eminem and Jay-z from the mix AEOM sold as much as peoples entire solo catalogs (Kanye West for example).

Hip Hop dominated LA in the 90s, I can't really speak for other areas because I wasnt in them then but I can tell you out here it fully passed everything else by the time Snoop came out with Doggystyle.

 

[Nomad1]

op a fatherless fakkit

 

[Tommy Knocks]

This whole shyt is just fukking sad.

 

[smokeurobinson]

op a fatherless fakkit

Props on the throwback. And I'm not fatherless yet...Pop's still alive and kicking. Matter fact he hits the big 65 in a few weeks.

 

[GeeEffKay]

this shyt has me crackin up..father figures?

 

[smokeurobinson]

this shyt has me crackin up..father figures?

Of course you're cracking up because u have a 2014 mentality. U weren't there in 1989. 1990. 1991 when Hip Hop was the rebirth of the Black conscious movement which had ended in the late 60's/early 70's. It was such a beautiful thing to see. The afrocentric fashion. The focus on Africa and being politically aware. Rappers speaking with intellegence instead of telling u how much of a criminal they were......Yes it sounds laughable in 2014 that rappers could actually be father figures. But there was a point in Hip Hops golden era when rappers were enlightening and set good examples. Once NWA was the #1 album when Billboard was introduced it went all down hill.