There are only 4 father figures in hiphop. HipHops maturity level is that of a 17 y/o

[The Ruler 09]

Hip Hop IS a culture, this is a fact.

In regards to father figures, there are father figures in the culture, it isn't just who's spittin...

 

[smokeurobinson]

Hip Hop IS a culture, this is a fact.

In regards to father figures, there are father figures in the culture, it isn't just who's spittin...

Hip Hop hasnt been a culture since the 90's..Its entertainment. How can it be a culture when u have men who arent even Black dictating the direction of stereotypes in mainstream media? How can it be a culture when the Black majority who participate dont even own their music? Would u accept something as a culture that allows its main participants to be wreckless in their actions with no accountability? Hip Hop is entertainment...as I've grown and matured I've learned that it is cliche to say its a culture but it isn't..its entertainment......A culture includes refinement. Theres no refinment in a genre which promotes selling drugs, doing drugs being intoxicated, kiling other Black folks and disrespecting women. who would wanna claim that as a culture. But when u acknowledge it for what it is which is entertainment then killing Blacks and being intoxicated is ok. Pac going at Biggie the way he did was negative from a cultural perspective...But when u look at it as entertainment..Pac going at Biggie was one of the illest moments ever in Hip Hop.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Why would someone look to any type of music for a 'father figure' ?

Fatherless hiphop writers?

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Fatherless hiphop writers?

 

[Axum Ezana]

When Rick Ross was performing in the 2012 BET awards with his shirt off showing his ass crack....it really showed the current maturity level of todays mainstream Hip Hop. Ross is a couple of years older then me and I dont do the 'show my ass crack' thing...Thats what the kids do. I let the kids have they fun. But Hip Hop is entertainment, not a culture as some have been fooled to believe, and Ross is only catering to age level of his audience even if that means reducing what is supposed to be his age level to that of a teenager.



Ross = not a father figure...He's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense.


Jay z = Not a father figure...He's more like a 'styling on you uncle' whos focused on telling u street nonsense over real issues.



Nas = Not a father figure...More like that uncle who's flaws have been magnified by the public but in the end he still gets the respect.


Lil Wayne = Not a father figure....He's a rich 17 year old in a near 30 year olds body.


TI = Not a father figure...The family man gimmick would have worked had it not been for that Crimestoppers PSA. Its sent the message of "i'm only doing the family man thing cuz all that trap work got me negotiating with the FEDS." TI's more like that slick talking cousin whos caught a lot of good luck.



Jeezy = Not a father figure....What father really wants to motivate thugs? Prison is thug motivation...a real father wants to motivate young minds to grow up and be self reliant men and women. Like Ross he's more like that older cousin whos to old to be focused on street nonsense but he's cool to hang around with every now and then.



Kanye = Not a father figure....Kanye's more like that smart aleck cousin thats cool to hang around even tho in the back of our minds he might be bisexual.



Drake = Not father figure....Drake is more like that privelaged cousin who is kinda cool even tho he has the aura of a herb.



50 Cent = Not a father figure....50 is that older cousin who is very succesful and your happy thats he's succesful but after a while you notice he's an instigating attention whore. Sometimes its entertaining...sometimes its annoying. He's also the cousin that only wants to be around you to tell you how sucessful he is in life yet he doesnt really care where you are in life he just wants you to listen to his story.



2Pac = Not a father figure......Pac was that older cousin who was killed and we honor his memory so greatly that we overlook the reckless example he left behind.



Fat Joe, Snoop, Bun B and Scarface = See Ross


so who are the father figures??



Chuck D - In the 80's this man stood on stage and screamed "Black power" in front of a sea of white people and they cheered him on. Did you read Chuck D's Book? If not, why Not? He was dropping some real jewels...Like how Hip Hop sends the wrong message stressing street hustling as a means of financial support when there are numerous ways of getting money legaly. Chuck didnt care about Biggie and Preemo making a classic song...he just didnt want his voice associated with the selling of drugs on the song Ten Crack Commandments....Thats what you call standing up for something. When Flava Flav was out there c00ning on reality TV, Chuck D called it for what it was with strong love without throwing Flav under the bus like a real friend is supposed to do. Till this day when the man opens his mouth he's saying something informative. His speech is clear, articulate and well thought out. He'a s Muslim but he doesnt beat you over the head about it. Married man and political activist. This is a father figure.



Rev Run - Remember how the Osbournes show was ratchet before the word ratchet became popular, leaving the impression of what a successful white family looks like when the dad is a rock legend. And then this Black man, who can also be considered a rock legend being that he is in the rock and roll hall of fame, comes behind The Osbournes and shows that not only families but a "Black family" can be civilized and entertaining as well. As a Black man in America, with all the negative stereotypes towards Black folks in entertainment, at some point you had to stop and acknowledge that Run House the show was a good look for Black folks. Definatly a more positive note in the Hip Hop 2000's..The family unity, the positivity, the spirituality....and Run doesnt use profanity. Mind you Run is from Run DMC so the street cred is certified based on that alone yet Run became a man of the cloth so you are left with the impression that this reverand isn't a square and has some "down to earth" in him. This is a father figure.




KRS One - Yes KRS has been caught being contradictory. But thats just being human. This is a man who in the 80's saw Black on Black crime as problem in the urban community, gathered all the popular rappers in the east coast and made a hot song about self destruction within the urban community. This would influence the west coast rappers to do the same with a song called "All In The Same Gang." That was Black unity at its finest in the late 80's and it was started by KRS One. In the 90's KRS would do things to distort his messages....Forget the PM Dawn thing, on the award worthy album Edutainment KRS breaks down the cons of eating meat yet years later he would co sign a song about smoking marijuana with the group Channel Live. The song was called "Mad Izm" and it was real hot when it dropped. So meat is bad but smoking marijuan is cool. Like I said "distorted messeges." Like Nas we have watched KRS flaws unfold in front of us. But philosphies change with times. Didnt Jesus eat from the vine on the sabbath? Yes KRS went from saying he's not a christian to dedicating a whole album to a Christian like theme. But look at what we are pointing at. KRS's philosophies. The same man who was holding a gun on his debut album rapping about shooting a crack dealer named Peter turned into the self appointed teacher. How many thugs out there switched their game up to force you to look at them as some sort of intelllectual to the point you forget they came in the game as a thug?? Most thugs (or wannabes for that) want you to see them as thugs and not the later. Wanting the world to see you as a philosopher or teacher over having the world see you as some sort of street product aimed for prison is a great example of a father figure. Denouncing your criminal mind for a spiritual and intellectual mind is the example KRS gave to the world......and KRS showed that you may stumble with contradictions piecing your philosopy together along the way. This is a father figure.




Russel Simmons - Def Jam has promoted a lot of reckless music while hiding behind the name 'Entrepreneurship' all for the sake of financial profit. Thats called capitalism. There's no moral base in capitalism and thats why Def Jam can go from supporting a conscious group like Public Enemy one decade to promoting Jay Z the ex drug dealer who's all about money, cash and hoes the next decade. Redman taught the kids how to roll a blunt and Foxy Brown named her debut album after her puss. Remember all that hilarious filth from Def Comedy Jam? Yes Russel has made his earnings from things that one could say lacked moral fiber all in the name of 'Entrepreneurship." Russel is a business man. But with all that said Russel has successfully made a reputatation of balancing his capitalistic behavior with spirituality and political consciousness. And thats where the father image kicks in. "Yes I did what a dog had to do in a dog eat dog world but thats just how it is.......I did it the best and now I will enlighten you about my journey and spread my knowledge and wisdom to others every chance I can......let me also add, hard work has made me succesful" This is a father figure.





Sadly there are no mother figures in Hip Hop as well. Queen Latifah held that torch for a minute that is until she took the head wrap off and traded her "mother Earth aura" to be a gun totting weed smoking lesbian gangster in the movie Set It Off. Lauryn tried to revive what Latifah had but she would soon fall in the "crazy auntie" category......After that Foxy and Kim would teach the generations...followed by Eve and Trina....Then Remy and now Nicki.

how about james brown and kool dj herc.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Fatherless hiphop writers?

is this a stab at me? If so its a poor response that distracts from the original stement because as I said before my pops is alive and kicking. Hell we going to Bernadines for Fathers Day just to throw that in...Now with that said the original statement still stands. Hip Hops maturity level is at 17 yet its mainstream heros are in their 30's and over

how about james brown and kool dj herc.

James Borwn is dead..But he came from an era when Martin Luther King and Malcolm X and Huey P Newton were doing there thing so he wouldnt apply. As for Kool Herc he's hardly visible.

 

[MoneyTron]

Looking to entertainers for father figures is useless.

It would be interesting to see evidence of rising crime and poverty rates to this supposed "downfall" of hiphop though...I bet it doesn't exist.

 

[smokeurobinson]

Looking to entertainers for father figures is useless.

It would be interesting to see evidence of rising crime and poverty rates to this supposed "downfall" of hiphop though...I bet it doesn't exist.

Dont get lost in the sauce...My original statement leaned more towards how Blackmen in Hip Hop at the age of 30 plus who should be acting like father figures are acting like teens for the sake of entertainment. And how this image is teaching the babies that its ok for 30 plus Blackmen to act like teens.

 

[Nomad1]

Hip Hop hasnt been a culture since the 90's..Its entertainment. How can it be a culture when u have men who arent even Black dictating the direction of stereotypes in mainstream media? How can it be a culture when the Black majority who participate dont even own their music? Would u accept something as a culture that allows its main participants to be wreckless in their actions with no accountability? Hip Hop is entertainment...as I've grown and matured I've learned that it is cliche to say its a culture but it isn't..its entertainment......A culture includes refinement. Theres no refinment in a genre which promotes selling drugs, doing drugs being intoxicated, kiling other Black folks and disrespecting women. who would wanna claim that as a culture. But when u acknowledge it for what it is which is entertainment then killing Blacks and being intoxicated is ok. Pac going at Biggie the way he did was negative from a cultural perspective...But when u look at it as entertainment..Pac going at Biggie was one of the illest moments ever in Hip Hop.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Hip Hop hasnt been a culture since the 90's..Its entertainment. How can it be a culture when u have men who arent even Black dictating the direction of stereotypes in mainstream media? How can it be a culture when the Black majority who participate dont even own their music? Would u accept something as a culture that allows its main participants to be wreckless in their actions with no accountability? Hip Hop is entertainment...as I've grown and matured I've learned that it is cliche to say its a culture but it isn't..its entertainment......A culture includes refinement. Theres no refinment in a genre which promotes selling drugs, doing drugs being intoxicated, kiling other Black folks and disrespecting women. who would wanna claim that as a culture. But when u acknowledge it for what it is which is entertainment then killing Blacks and being intoxicated is ok. Pac going at Biggie the way he did was negative from a cultural perspective...But when u look at it as entertainment..Pac going at Biggie was one of the illest moments ever in Hip Hop.

This isn't true bro. Cause your focusing on rap music and not the culture. The culture isn't defined merely by mainstream rap music. In my life I live Hip Hop culture, practise several of the elements, such as street entrepreneurism by starting my own business', from the bottom up, street knowledge, which I also teach to many people, including youths, and I'm not the only one, there's a youth centre where a bunch of people teach people rappin, producing, dj'in, al kinds of shyt, my close friend has got paid a monthly salary to do this also, even though the money is insignificant to the purpose, I have helped develop several professional and amateur MC's, producers etc. And to be real, I have been like a father figure to a lot of these people and helped them in their personal lives and treated them like straight up family, opened my home up when homeless, helped in beef, helped financially not just artistically. Helped in terms of personal progression. Using Hip Hop as an education and personal development tool. This is the culture bro, and I am not the only one. Minister Sever, do you know who that is? KRS's assistant, he does good works too. There's countless father figures in Hip Hop brother. Some people are in the background but they are still apart of the CULTURE. Afrika Bambaataa I didn't see mentioned, how come? Kool Herc no? There's a lot of people around in the culture that are like that for real. Fatherly and motherly. I have saved people's lives through Hip Hop, I'm not the only one either. There are also ethnic/black labels too. If you saying mainstream Hip Hop music has lost a lot of it's cultural values I agree, if your saying Hip Hop isn't a culture, that's wrong fam. I'm living it so I know lol. In any culture there are crooks and corruption for the most part. But can't ignore the ones who aren't too. Nope, I don't know how active you are in the culture, but brothers and sisters still cyphering, rockin shows, recording, sharing information and knowledge, building with business, including street fashion, graffiti and art in general, beatboxing, breakin, everything, the culture is worldwide. Some people not practising it isn't our fault and doesn't take away from what WE do. I'm not sure about all that drug shyt, but I can tell you I've NEVER taken or sold a drug in my lifetime. And in regards to women, I have put my life on the line protecting women who have been abused, like literally life on the line, since a very young age.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

grown man cryin about why his rappers aint his pappy

 

[b@squ1@t]

weirdest thread ive seen in a minute...glad i didnt read 90% of it

 

[Tom Foolery]

I already have a father.

 

[smokeurobinson]

This isn't true bro. Cause your focusing on rap music and not the culture. The culture isn't defined merely by mainstream rap music. In my life I live Hip Hop culture, practise several of the elements, such as street entrepreneurism by starting my own business', from the bottom up, street knowledge, which I also teach to many people, including youths, and I'm not the only one, there's a youth centre where a bunch of people teach people rappin, producing, dj'in, al kinds of shyt, my close friend has got paid a monthly salary to do this also, even though the money is insignificant to the purpose, I have helped develop several professional and amateur MC's, producers etc. And to be real, I have been like a father figure to a lot of these people and helped them in their personal lives and treated them like straight up family, opened my home up when homeless, helped in beef, helped financially not just artistically. Helped in terms of personal progression. Using Hip Hop as an education and personal development tool. This is the culture bro, and I am not the only one. Minister Sever, do you know who that is? KRS's assistant, he does good works too. There's countless father figures in Hip Hop brother. Some people are in the background but they are still apart of the CULTURE. Afrika Bambaataa I didn't see mentioned, how come? Kool Herc no? There's a lot of people around in the culture that are like that for real. Fatherly and motherly. I have saved people's lives through Hip Hop, I'm not the only one either. There are also ethnic/black labels too. If you saying mainstream Hip Hop music has lost a lot of it's cultural values I agree, if your saying Hip Hop isn't a culture, that's wrong fam. I'm living it so I know lol. In any culture there are crooks and corruption for the most part. But can't ignore the ones who aren't too. Nope, I don't know how active you are in the culture, but brothers and sisters still cyphering, rockin shows, recording, sharing information and knowledge, building with business, including street fashion, graffiti and art in general, beatboxing, breakin, everything, the culture is worldwide. Some people not practising it isn't our fault and doesn't take away from what WE do. I'm not sure about all that drug shyt, but I can tell you I've NEVER taken or sold a drug in my lifetime. And in regards to women, I have put my life on the line protecting women who have been abused, like literally life on the line, since a very young age.

I was about to go in when I read the intro about how it isn't true. But then u started to drop your resume I had to go left and stop and ask, if thats your resume, where are the links to your real profile pages. I mean with a resume like that you should be more visible outside of a username on a hip hop messageboard. I mean if u gonna spit ya resume like that u gotta show me more then just talk in a thread for merit. Where's ya facebook and twitter pages where people can get access to you because if thats your real resume then I should be able to talk to you on a bigger platform then the coli. ...I'm not challenging u...I'm just saying with that kind of resume u should be on a bigger platform. Give me something for merit because too many phonys who talk it big online. I need merit to co sign u homie. After that then and only then can we get back to my original statemnet of Hip Hop not being a culture.

 

[The Ruler 09]

I was about to go in when I read the intro about how it isn't true. But then u started to drop your resume I had to go left and stop and ask, if thats your resume, where are the links to your real profile pages. I mean with a resume like that you should be more visible outside of a username on a hip hop messageboard. I mean if u gonna spit ya resume like that u gotta show me more then just talk in a thread for merit. Where's ya facebook and twitter pages where people can get access to you because if thats your real resume then I should be able to talk to you on a bigger platform then the coli. ...I'm not challenging u...I'm just saying with that kind of resume u should be on a bigger platform. Give me something for merit because too many phonys who talk it big online. I need merit to co sign u homie. After that then and only then can we get back to my original statemnet of Hip Hop not being a culture.

This is just a forum to me bro. I'm not using this as a promotional tool for anything. I've connected with a few people on here, and I hope to on a greater basis too. But my work and activity is 99 percent offline. It's a cool place, because I get updated on shyt worldwide here, and get new music, and see what people are saying, and can research myself too. I'm very busy but I try to pop on here when I can and make a bunch of rapid posts lol. I think anyone who is familiar with my posts genuinely would see a lot of consistency. I have been talking about the same shyt for many years, in a very humble way though, as I'm not a limelight type person at all, I prefer to be the background. I don't even like talking about myself at all lol. I think many people like that are similar to me. But like I said originally, it's really not about me, it's about everyone else... I'm just one person, and I know I have been very sincere, but there are so many others. I'd rather big them up than myself, I only mentioned myself as further credence to the truth of what I said. Let me take a Wise Intelligent, would you not say he deserves some props? Like he's been involved in activism, for black rights and even American Indian rights. And musically hasn't he been largely positive? I don't think that the scale on which one does something solely dictates it's merit. But culturally it's been through Hip Hop. Someone I know who was a rapper lost their memory and I helped to teach them so much through Hip Hop, that's a long ass story so won't go into that but I actually helped them to rap and write again, when this person forgot who I was, who they were, what rap is, what a bird is, a plane, a tree etc. This was done through Hip Hop. There's another rapper, who through Hip Hop overcame severe speech difficulties, they used to have an assistant in school and shyt but they overcame it largely due to Hip Hop and this person is very articulate and is a dope performer too, lyricist and artist/producer. I mentioned Minster Server, if you research some of things he's done, Sever is higher profile than me as he spits and shyt too so he won't mind me name droppin him lol. But Server's whole life is about being positive...

I'll try find a quick video, but Minister Server does a lot of work....



I have done a lot of things, and I have worked with huge companies and artists too. Some people like to stay in the background. But I actively help a number of people whenever I can. Another person I mentioned was Wise Intelligent, I think he should get some props too...




Bambaataa stopped a lot of bullshyt back in the day, he's still around too. How about Guru in regards to what he did with Group Home and shyt? Guru always came across very positive to me personally. Also I think father figures can mean several different things, in some ways Pac was fatherly to The Outlawz , like Storm and shyt when she talks about him, you see that kind of vibe. Remember Hip Hop is young, people grow man, a lot of people become fathers later on, I like the path Cormega is on at the moment , sounds positive. What about K-Rino? Very positive, and I would say fatherly too, he tries to teach and help and support.

Wouldn't you say something like this is very positive?



K-Rino has a big ass clique called SPC, a lot of them are positive cool people that are active in Hip Hop.

How about Brother Ali?

This sounds fatherly to me fam...



And it's not just his own seed he's helped, he's also active in activism too and has helped a lot of people. Another friend of mine who is a HipHoppa did a lot of work for sexual abuse victims. Again I ain't got time to make shyt up, I'm not trying to impress anyone, just wanted to offer another perspective from Hip Hop itself.

I know you mentioned KRS but have you read the Gospel Of Hip Hop book? If I'm correct there were 30-50 other contributors to that beside himself. Was either the book or The Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace anyway.

I take it you have read that document?



What about the people in this video bro?

Stic Man and Lowkey met in the Middle East where they both travelled to help people. Lowkey and politician Tony Benn had an anti war movement organisation.

I'll just wrap this up quickly, this isn't my name, I don't go by this username lol. Infact a friend MADE an account for me back on SOHH and he picked the name for me, The Ruler 777 or something because he wanted me to respond to some bullshyt there, I did and it stuck on forums. I've spent my life helping people man, like for real lol, I don't want any props for it but I think Hip Hop should get some props for it. With all due respect I don't man cause I'm not trying to get merit from you or anybody else, it is what it is. With me out of the equation I've dropped several others. Like I mentioned, people do talk to me on a bigger platform. But I help people to help them not for recognition. Ok I see what your saying, makes sense, but I wouldn't waste my time man, I've been posting for years lol, I doubt you've heard me try to big myself up to boost my own ego any times previously, I'm only saying it due to my love for Hip Hop to show Hip Hop culturally can be and in many cases is positive. I'm not looking for a co-sign bro, not at all but if you'd like to check some of the links and I provided etc go ahead.

Peace.