The Official Black Conservatism Thread

[CACtain Planet]

This guy thinks that Bush and Obama are the same(they're not) and that the original Black Panthers were black conservatives.

As it pertains to education, economic, and foreign policy, there is no difference between Bush and Obama...And Black panthers were very conservative, at least in the beginning, in there ideals for a strong nuclear black family unit being led by a black man and becoming independent from this racists American government system.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Yea that works in a homogeneous population with everyone having the same race, culture, religion, history etc...Black folk in America would not benefit economic liberalism...Better off building our own and not being reliant on the state exist

The state is the only entity keeping blacks from full front discrimination and re enslavement

 

[CACtain Planet]

The state is the only entity keeping blacks from full front discrimination and re enslavement

Is it really? Last I checked when the Supreme court (and civil war) gave black folk rights in the 1860's, the state quickly devised laws to take those rights away in the form of KKK terrorism that was cosigned by the state..Last I checked when the first civil rights act was passed in 1875, the state quickly took those rights away and the supreme court cosigned it with Plessy v. Ferguson, thereby creating Jim Crow and fake ass separate equal. Last I checked it took the state 3 generations to go back and fix Jim Crow with the civil rights and voting rights act of 64 and 65. And yet the state still turns a blind eye to these laws while systematically denying basic HUMAN RIGHTS to black folk..So I say motherfukk the state..The state giveth and the state taketh..the only sure thing is self sufficiency as much as possible apart from the state

 

[BaggerofTea]

Is it really? Last I checked when the Supreme court (and war) gave black folk rights in the 1860's, the state quickly devised laws to take those rights away in the form of KKK terrorism that was cosigned by the state..Last I checked when the first civil rights act was passed in 1875, the state quickly took those rights away and the supreme court cosigned it with Plessy v. Ferguson, thereby creating Jim Crow and fake ass separate equal. Last I checked it took the state 3 generations to go back and fix Jim Crow with the civil rights and voting rights act. And yet the state still turns a blind eye to these laws while systematically denying basic HUMAN RIGHTS of black folk..So I say motherfukk the state..The state giveth and the state taketh..the only sure thing is self sufficiency as much as possible apart from the state

It's economically and politically impossible for black folks to divorce themselves from the system

 

[CACtain Planet]

It's economically and politically impossible for black folks to divorce themselves from the system

Wrong, we were more economically and politically self sufficient from the state before the 1964 and 65 civil rights and voting rights act was put in place...I believe that if Plessy v Ferguson (Separate but Equal) was executed and enforced within the vein of true equalness to surrounding land and resources, then there would probably be 1000 black meccas similar to Black Wallstreet all across this country...

 

[BaggerofTea]

Wrong, we were more economically and politically self sufficient from the state before the 1964 and 65 civil rights and voting rights act was put in place...I believe that if Plessy v Ferguson (Separate but Equal) was executed and enforced within the vein of true equalness to surrounding land and resources, then there would probably be 1000 black meccas similar to Black Wallstreet all across this country...

I won't disagree completely. But blacks could not vote, we were getting lynched and were frozen out of plenty of economic opportunity.

Integration was way too sudden and was purely economic. I agree there. But imply shyt was better off pre 64 is absolute nonsense

 

[CACtain Planet]

I won't disagree completely. But blacks could not vote, we were getting lynched and were frozen out of plenty of economic opportunity.

Integration was way too sudden and was purely economic. I agree there. But imply shyt was better off pre 64 is absolute nonsense

I didnt say we were better I said we were economically and politically self sufficient..And let me reiterate, I believe that if Plessy v. Ferguson was enforced to truly be separate but equal, I believe awe would be in much better shape today as pertains to economic and political capital..We'd probably have a lobby bigger than AIPAC..we'd probably have alot more HBCU's that are ranked higher than traditional PWIs. The Negro Baseball League would be the premier league in the world..Probably would have a true black economic hub the size of New York..all that shyt is pipe dreams now that ASSIMILATION has taken over the discourse..In a socialist democracy or whatever form of socialism here in America is based around assimilation and I believe that would be the final nail in the coffin for black culture and economics in this country

 

[BaggerofTea]

I didnt say we were better I said we were economically and politically self sufficient..And let me reiterate, I believe that if Plessy v. Ferguson was enforced to truly be separate but equal, I believe awe would be in much better shape today as pertains to economic and political capital..We'd probably have a lobby bigger than AIPAC..we'd probably have alot more HBCU's that are ranked higher than traditional PWIs. The Negro Baseball League would be the premier league in the world..Probably would have a true black economic hub the size of New York..all that shyt is pipe dreams now that ASSIMILATION has taken over the discourse..In a socialist democracy or whatever form of socialism here in America is based around assimilation and I believe that would be the final nail in the coffin for black culture and economics in this country

You are viewing everything through an abstract lens breh

Guess what, we weren't any of those things before 64 and we aren't any of them now

I value class conciousness above racial division. If Americans were class enlightened they would understand racial division. Workers would support each other not on any racial basis. Black businesses and cooperatives would thrive in a socialist system, specifically one with democratized industry.

Racial division suffocated the black economy, look what happened to black wall street in kansas. Burned to the ground thanks to racial division.

You know where racial division comes from? Capitalism......

 

[CACtain Planet]

You are viewing everything through an abstract lens breh

Guess what, we weren't any of those things before 64 and we aren't any of them now

I value class conciousness above racial division. If Americans were class enlightened they would understand racial division. Workers would support each other not on any racial basis. Black businesses and cooperatives would thrive in a socialist system, specifically one with democratized industry.

Racial division suffocated the black economy, look what happened to black wall street in kansas. Burned to the ground thanks to racial division.

You know where racial division comes from? Capitalism......

Are you saying that racial division wouldnt happen in a socialist system? Correct me if im wrong, but arent black cubans are the bottom of the totem pole in cuba? If Im wrong im wrong but I believe that if a true socialist system was implemented in America racists CACs would still find away to keep black folk at the bottom with menial jobs and in environments with poor infrastructure..Atleast with capitalism there is a chance, a slight chance, but still chance for black folk to uplift ourselves economically

 

[BaggerofTea]

Are you saying that racial division wouldnt happen in a socialist system? Correct me if im wrong, but arent black cubans are the bottom of the totem pole in cuba? If Im wrong im wrong but I believe that if a true socialist system was implemented in America racists CACs would still find away to keep black folk at the bottom with menial jobs and in environments with poor infrastructure..Atleast with capitalism there is a chance, a slight chance, but still chance for black folk to uplift ourselves economically

In truly socialist society, social equality and liberty go hand in hand.

If we are in a truly marxist society with democratic underpinnings, there would be no such issue.

There is no "free markets" in capitalism, corporations have always found a way to ensure that blacks stay at the bottom of the totem pole

 

[JahFocus CS]

Are you saying that racial division wouldnt happen in a socialist system? Correct me if im wrong, but arent black cubans are the bottom of the totem pole in cuba? If Im wrong im wrong but I believe that if a true socialist system was implemented in America racists CACs would still find away to keep black folk at the bottom with menial jobs and in environments with poor infrastructure..Atleast with capitalism there is a chance, a slight chance, but still chance for black folk to uplift ourselves economically

Breh, Cuba is still a developing country that suffered from centuries of colonial rule and then U.S. neocolonialism and dictatorship... then a U.S. embargo and undying efforts to undermine the Cuban government. Problems aren't solved overnight under those conditions. And Cuba is still part of a deeply racist world. Nonetheless, Afro-Cubans made important gains after the Cuban Revolution, with official government acknowledgement that racism was an issue and policies that improved the literacy and life expectancy rates of Afro-Cubans.

It seems these sources are decent, haven't read through them fully though.

Revolutionary Racism in Cuba
Owning the Revolution: Race, Revolution, and Politics from Havana to Miami, 1959–1963

 

[CACtain Planet]

In truly socialist society, social equality and liberty go hand in hand.

If we are in a truly marxist society with democratic underpinnings, there would be no such issue.

There is no "free markets" in capitalism, corporations have always found a way to ensure that blacks stay at the bottom of the totem pole

Then Id argue that a true socialist society will never exist in a society the size and population, culture, religion and historical heterogeneity of a country like America

 

[BaggerofTea]

Then Id argue that a true socialist society will never exist in a society the size and population, culture, religion and historical heterogeneity of a country like America

It can exist, but you need a society who comes to the realization that class trumps race, culture, religion etc etc etc

Considering this late phase of capitalism, its definitely possible

 

[CACtain Planet]

It can exist, but you need a society who comes to the realization that class trumps race, culture, religion etc etc etc

Considering this late phase of capitalism, its definitely possible

I feel you, but the cynic in me feels that white people in America no matter what the financial circumstances will never be on board with that realization

 

[BaggerofTea]

I feel you, but the cynic in me feels that white people in America no matter what the financial circumstances will never be on board with that realization

It depends.

I think the Trump phenomenon is going to force right wing media to adjust the dog whistle politics

I do notice a lot of liberals who play their own identity politics shenanigans.


A lot of it is education and also a lot of it is whites losing their jobs and waking up to the realization they are no different in the eyes of elites than blacks.


Racism in America was an elitist plot to ensure that white Americans stay looking back at blacks while the elites are right in their face, pillaging them