The Official Black Conservatism Thread

[CACtain Planet]

We don't need conservatism to do that, or anything for that matter.

Conservatism can't even provide for down and out whites, which is why they have abandoned it for Trump. What makes you think it would work any better for us, in the context of conservatism/Dixiecrat explicit hatred for blacks?

Only way we will get ahead is to do for self and not try to hitch our ideological wagon onto other movements... especially movements that have explicitly worked to marginalize us

Actually we do need social conservatism to conserve family values..white liberal idealism has currupted and destroyed the idea of viable black two parent home family...Conservatism doesnt equal republicanism which is what your getting confused..Lower class whites arent doing bad because of conservatism, they are doing bad because they believed in a certain idealism that the Republican party was pushing, like black folk believing in a certain idealism that the democratic party pushes..Trump gave to both parties, that should tell you that this party shyt doesnt mean anything in the grand scheme of things but black folk are to hung up on identity politics... and we dam sure aint getting ahead hitching are wagon to the democratic plantation

 

[CACtain Planet]

What's funny is the Moynihan report was a decidedly liberal paper. It blamed gov. policy for the state of black pekoe in America and called for change.

But even with that said. "The nuclear black family" has never existed in any real capacity America. "Out of wedlock" rate aside, the black family is doing better now than as it has in the past.

So, once again, what the hell are you trying to conserve?

lol at the black family doing better now than pre-social welfare era..Out of wedlock, divorce, prison, and single motherhood are all significantly higher for black folk then ever before which is why you see less black owned family businesses

 

[y que]

"Conservatism" has no meaning in this discussion because it is an imprecise term. The only reason we say "liberals" were pro slavery is because Democrats were pro-slavery at a time when most Dems were conservative and Republicans were more liberal.

All of the people you listed preached black self-esteem and self-reliance. Neither of those concepts is especially conservative.

they are more conservative than liberal by far though

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Actually we do need social conservatism to conserve family values..white liberal idealism has currupted and destroyed the idea of viable black two parent home family...Conservatism doesnt equal republicanism which is what your getting confused..Lower class whites arent doing bad because of conservatism, they are doing bad because they believed in a certain idealism that the Republican party was pushing, like black folk believing in a certain idealism that the democratic party pushes..Trump gave to both parties, that should tell you that this party shyt doesnt mean anything in the grand scheme of things but black folk are to hung up on identity politics... and we dam sure aint getting ahead hitching are wagon to the democratic plantation

I just have a problem with the name. We need our own identity. The family structure has to be rebuilt, but beyond that I think we need pretty radical ideologies, not conservative ones. Plus again conservatism in the US = an ideology with a long legacy of explicitly working against black people. I've heard this idea before and I say it's akin to "Jewish Nazism". It doesn't make sense. You can't complain about identity politics and demand that we embrace conservatism in the same breath....

 

[CHL]

 

[Scholar]

Historically speaking, blacks in the United States have traditonally been IDEOLOGICALLY CONSERVATIVE!!! Its only been since 64' that blacks have been thought of as liberal mainly due to the marketing job far left liberals have done. So Id like to first start this thread with the great black conservative thinkers of the 20th Century

Booker T. Washington - "Self Help"

Marcus Garvey- "Self Reliance"

Carter G. Woodson- "Mis-Education of the Negro"

George Washington Carver- "The Black Leonardo"

Macolm X- "By Any Means Necessary"

Jackie Robinson- "Reinforcement of Black power through conservatism"


Plenty more Black Conservatives in the early 20th century but I will leave at these great gentlemen for now and we can discuss specifically why each were ideologically conservative in their own right and how their message is the blueprint for saving the black population today.

Now I caution, this thread isnt about democrats vs republicans for both parties has its racists elements (white far right southern republicans and gay far left democrats). This thread is about black conservatism in general and how different issues today are seen from the black conservative perspective.

Absolutely incorrect, Africans Americans have CONSISTENTLY been the MOST PROGRESSIVE group in America.

 

[CACtain Planet]

Historically speaking, blacks in the United States have traditonally been IDEOLOGICALLY CONSERVATIVE!!! Its only been since 64' that blacks have been thought of as liberal mainly due to the marketing job far left liberals have done. So Id like to first start this thread with the great black conservative thinkers of the 20th Century

Booker T. Washington - "Self Help"

Marcus Garvey- "Self Reliance"

Carter G. Woodson- "Mis-Education of the Negro"

George Washington Carver- "The Black Leonardo"

Macolm X- "By Any Means Necessary"

Jackie Robinson- "Reinforcement of Black power through conservatism"


Plenty more Black Conservatives in the early 20th century but I will leave at these great gentlemen for now and we can discuss specifically why each were ideologically conservative in their own right and how their message is the blueprint for saving the black population today.

Now I caution, this thread isnt about democrats vs republicans for both parties has its racists elements (white far right southern republicans and gay far left democrats). This thread is about black conservatism in general and how different issues today are seen from the black conservative perspective.

@ignorethis welcome breh

 

[CACtain Planet]

Absolutely incorrect, Africans Americans have CONSISTENTLY been the MOST PROGRESSIVE group in America.

Progressive in what way....you sound like an ultra liberal cracker that don't understand black folk or black history

 

[ignorethis]

I just have a problem with the name. We need our own identity. The family structure has to be rebuilt, but beyond that I think we need pretty radical ideologies, not conservative ones. Plus again conservatism in the US = an ideology with a long legacy of explicitly working against black people. I've heard this idea before and I say it's akin to "Jewish Nazism". It doesn't make sense. You can't complain about identity politics and demand that we embrace conservatism in the same breath....

We'll first thing, not all black people are entrenched in identity politics. Identity politics is one of the things I can't stand.

And traditional family structures, embracing the free market, moral absolutism are not things exclusive to whites and explicitly anti-black. You guys are associated true right-wing ideology with the b*stardize southern strategy version the Republican party invented.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

We'll first thing, not all black people are entrenched in identity politics. Identity politics is one of the things I can't stand.

And traditional family structures, embracing the free market, moral absolutism are not things exclusive to whites and explicitly anti-black. You guys are associated true right-wing ideology with the b*stardize southern strategy version the Republican party invented.

You can't separate "conservatism" in America from that southern strategy. Again it would be like starting a new national socialist party in Germany.

I know it's just a name, but at the same time names are very significant. If the shyt is actually going to be for us and by us why do we have to try to name it an ideology used explicitly to oppress us?

On the flip side, if "embracing the free market" and "moral absolutism" are your goal then the name is apt. But then you might as well go full c00n and just be a regular conservative puppet. The market is not "FREE" for us. 7+ years out of the housing crisis there is still shyt like this. And "moral absolutism" has been used extensively to paint black people in the worst light possible, as well as destroy our lives through the corrupt justice system. So if this is what black conservatism is about you can keep it.

 

[ignorethis]

You can't separate "conservatism" in America from that southern strategy. Again it would be like starting a new national socialist party in Germany.

I know it's just a name, but at the same time names are very significant. If the shyt is actually going to be for us and by us why do we have to try to name it an ideology used explicitly to oppress us?

On the flip side, if "embracing the free market" and "moral absolutism" are your goal then the name is apt. But then you might as well go full c00n and just be a regular conservative puppet. The market is not "FREE" for us. 7+ years out of the housing crisis there is still shyt like this. And "moral absolutism" has been used extensively to paint black people in the worst light possible, as well as destroy our lives through the corrupt justice system. So if this is what black conservatism is about you can keep it.

In both your example you're talking about stem from blacks living under whites and depending on whites economically.

I live in Houston, I can go to Bellaire and see nothing but Asians shopping at Asian owned businesses, getting loans from Asian staffed and owned banks, they're economically independent.

I can go to Sharpstown that's mostly Mexican and see nothing but Mexican owned businesses and American banks, but once you walk in you realize they're complete staffed by Mexicans as well. Mexicans that grew up in that area and understand how to properly evaluate Mexican customers without bias.

I'm tired of all the excuses on why it's impossible for blacks to win in a free market economy when other minority groups (including black immigrants) can do it.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

In both your example you're talking about stem from blacks living under whites and depending on whites economically.

I live in Houston, I can go to Bellaire and see nothing but Asians shopping at Asian owned businesses, getting loans from Asian staffed and owned banks, they're economically independent.

I can go to Sharpstown that's mostly Mexican and see nothing but Mexican owned businesses and American banks, but once you walk in you realize they're complete staffed by Mexicans as well. Mexicans that grew up in that area and understand how to properly evaluate Mexican customers without bias.

I'm tired of all the excuses on why it's impossible for blacks to win in a free market economy when other minority groups (including black immigrants) can do it.

Well, just as you ignored whatever of my post wasn't convenient to you, I'm going to ignore yours. I wasn't making excuses, just speaking to reality. Black people can eat, but we aren't going to do it by adopting the mindset of the people who actively try to keep us from doing so. Those Mexicans and Asians didn't do for self through hate and racism... and if you haven't noticed most conservatives are in declining political, economic and physical shape. So let's just get off that, figure out what we need to do and not call it anything.

 

[JahFocus CS]

We'll first thing, not all black people are entrenched in identity politics. Identity politics is one of the things I can't stand.

And traditional family structures, embracing the free market, moral absolutism are not things exclusive to whites and explicitly anti-black. You guys are associated true right-wing ideology with the b*stardize southern strategy version the Republican party invented.

...except identity politics is exactly what you're promoting with your race-centered politics

 

[CACtain Planet]

Well, just as you ignored whatever of my post wasn't convenient to you, I'm going to ignore yours. I wasn't making excuses, just speaking to reality. Black people can eat, but we aren't going to do it by adopting the mindset of the people who actively try to keep us from doing so. Those Mexicans and Asians didn't do for self through hate and racism... and if you haven't noticed most conservatives are in declining political, economic and physical shape. So let's just get off that, figure out what we need to do and not call it anything.

Your still not understanding the concept of separating white conservatism and republican party which then clouds your arguments for black conservatism..Black people can have a socioeconomic agenda that is SEPERATE from the republican and democratic party. As @ignorethis said, Asians, Mexicans, even Jews in this country practice group economics in certain areas of the country that is almost completely sufficient from democratic/republican politics...And you say black people cant eat but it wont be from adopting the mindset of the people who keep us from doing so..Seems to me that you are stuck on the democratic plantation thinking democrats are allowing you to eat when in reality that just toss a few bones your way to keep you reliant on their agenda that actively and systematically oppresses black people as a whole economically...Republicanism isnt in the answer either, but there is legit room for CONSERVATISM to liberate black folk in this country

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Your still not understanding the concept of separating white conservatism and republican party which then clouds your arguments for black conservatism..Black people can have a socioeconomic agenda that is SEPERATE from the republican and democratic party. As @ignorethis said, Asians, Mexicans, even Jews in this country practice group economics in certain areas of the country that is almost completely sufficient from democratic/republican politics...And you say black people cant eat but it wont be from adopting the mindset of the people who keep us from doing so..Seems to me that you are stuck on the democratic plantation thinking democrats are allowing you to eat when in reality that just toss a few bones your way to keep you reliant on their agenda that actively and systematically oppresses black people as a whole economically...Republicanism isnt in the answer either, but there is legit room for CONSERVATISM to liberate black folk in this country

Why is "CONSERVATISM" the only pivot around which black people make progress?

And no I'm not on the "democratic plantation". You are on the contrarian plantation, thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is "the same", rather than just in clear view of your goofy ass thinking.