Tariq Nasheed- Breaking Boundaries: The Olympic Erasure of Black Creators

[Wiseborn]

It wasn't just breakdancing. People like Busta Rhymes was saying Jamaicans gave Black Americans our whole culture. Fat Joe and other Ricans were running around saying they created hiphop overall 50/50. Yall act like this was coming out of nowhere from Black Americans.

And the response isn't a bunch of shyt Tariq made up, Tariq went and got the creators to speak on it. And certain posters on here have shown all kinds of evidence backin up Black Americans 100% claim to hiphop. Even the first Rican breakers clearly stated they got it from Black people.

I still can't believe there is any debate at this point.

Youre correct but people were just saying that Hip Hop was on the way out till the Dot vs Drake beef started.

But the issue is FBA ain't on code. Kenny fully exposed Drake *who some people claim as FBA* If Drake is allowed to come around FBA's after what KDot exposed low key means that FBA ain't really serious

That's something that we have to accept.

 

[Hater Eraser]

The irony in everything you hoe cake nikkas write is ridiculous

 

[Afrodroid]

My failures are better than your accomplishments

 

[8WON6]

Youre correct but people were just saying that Hip Hop was on the way out till the Dot vs Drake beef started.

But the issue is FBA ain't on code. Kenny fully exposed Drake *who some people claim as FBA* If Drake is allowed to come around FBA's after what KDot exposed low key means that FBA ain't really serious

That's something that we have to accept.

Hiphop is just a point of reference because it's currently "active" today. But this is also about Black American culture as a whole.

I think people just aren't used to Black Americans doing this because we let the shyt happen multiple times before with music and culture. That's why we have all these silly ass "yall didn't care about this before" comments. And like with Busta Rhymes saying we have no culture at all, and you got people like Burner Boy saying the same thing. At a certain point, what did people expect to happen? Black Americans been locked out of all sorts of things like the economy, education, judicial system, etc...culture is the last frontier. And this lockout was starting hiphop.

I think it's wild that people are either ignoring the Bustas and Fat Joes starting the shyt, or they're basically just trying straight up use gaslighting by calling us defending our culture some kind of analogous to white supremacists. Either way people are being obtuse and think we're retarded.

 

[UpNext]

Don't defend a man who said Kool Herc created hip hop in 2018 when there was a whole documentary in 2011called Founding Fathers that debunked that Kool Herc stuff 7 years prior. Tariq saying that in 2018 confirms he didn't do research on the history till a few years ago.

So everybody who ever got on a public platform and said Kool Herc created hip hop credibility is now suspect, or is just Tariq Nasheed's suspect for saying that?


Because yeah we can dig up receipts of everyone who ever said that and nope them for it too.

 

[Plankton]

I think it's wild that people are either ignoring the Bustas and Fat Joes starting the shyt, or they're basically just trying straight up use gaslighting by calling us defending our culture some kind of analogous to white supremacists. Either way people are being obtuse and think we're retarded.

Yet It was Nas who brought out Kool Herc the Jamaican during the 50th anniversary concert and said he was the one who changed the game. There was zero backlash when this happened last year. What goes on here on The Coli is not equivalent to what's really going on in the streets and the real world. Tariq Nasheed isn't moving the needle away from the actual hip hop legends. FACTS

 

[that guy]

East Asians took breaking to another level in the 2000's and the same way cats be saying NYC doesn't run Hip Hop anymore, the same can be said about breaking not being secluded to Black people...Too many other ethnicities took breaking to new levels. Lets be honest. How much breaking have you actually seen in Hip Hop videos since the 80's? If it's abandoned then why cry when others take what u abandoned and upkeep it to appreciation? When dances came back to Hip Hop during the ringtone era, no one was breaking like that but those Japanese and Koreans were taking breaking to the next level around that same time. The closest we had to a breaking revival strictly being done by FBAs in America are those subway performers but I've seen Coli posters actually say those don't count and that those subway performers look gay.

But I expect the Tariq dikk eaters will all of a sudden pretend to care about breaking because Tariq said so like they been doing with 70's Hip Hop these past few months.

You said a lot of nothing in this post.

Nobody cares if people adopt black American culture. Just don’t adopt black American culture and then erase its black American origin.

White Americans adopted country music and rock and roll music. Cool. Not they try to convince themselves that they actually invented it. Not cool.

Now do you understand?

 

[Plankton]

So everybody who ever got on a public platform and said Kool Herc created hip hop credibility is now suspect, or is just Tariq Nasheed's suspect for saying that?


Because yeah we can dig up receipts of everyone who ever said that and nope them for it too.

We not talking about everybody/everyone tho. The thread topic is about a Tariq video. You then came in here and defended Tariq with wrong info and I corrected you.

 

[that guy]

Let's be real: people do not care about break dancing lets stop the fake shyt

mfers these days pushed out battle rap and bd for running off at the mouth on podcast acting sassy, neck rolling about which rapper is fukking who, and other sissy shyt and other bullshyt.

People don’t care about break dancing because we already been did that and now we have moved onto creating new things because that’s what black people do.

Last year Taylor swift was swag surfing during the Super Bowl and it was the first time a lot of white people ever saw a dance that black people were doing over 15 years ago.

Your post is the entire reason why Tariq is correct. Y’all believe that just because we moved on from some of our cultural creations that other people can come in an claim they invented it. That’s not how it works.

 

[Plankton]

You said a lot of nothing in this post.

Nobody cares if people adopt black American culture. Just don’t adopt black American culture and then erase its black American origin.

White Americans adopted country music and rock and roll music. Cool. Not they try to convince themselves that they actually invented it. Not cool.

Now do you understand?

No. You totally missed the point. I was pointing out that if FBAs abandoned something that others picked up and ran with then it looks off crying after the fact over something that wasn't nurtured and secured once others got the recognition for something they started. It's like a toddler who abandoned a toy and only cares about it now that another baby is playing with it and is getting all the attention while playing with it.

You are totally missing the part where if breaking is abandoned and not secured by its creators and someone else runs with it the ones who are currently running with it will get more of the attention over the one who abandoned it.

Now do you understand?

 

[8WON6]

Yet It was Nas who brought out Kool Herc the Jamaican during the 50th anniversary concert and said he was the one who changed the game. There was zero backlash when this happened last year. What goes on here on The Coli is not equivalent to what's really going on in the streets and the real world. Tariq Nasheed isn't moving the needle away from the actual hip hop legends. FACTS

alot of people bought into and pushed the mythology. Even Kool Herc had to lowkey clean up the mythology himself. The biggest issue is people started saying we didn't have any culture and hiphop was their point of reference being used to backup that statement. And like i said, what did people expect when that wasn't just some one time statement from one person and multiple people were saying it?

And again the real information isn't coming from Tariq, Tariq went and got the real legends to speak on it.

and unrelated to this quoted post:
unless black people catch some of this stuff early people have shown that they'll pull out the "well yall didn't say anything before" excuses. This like when that little black girl started the Tiktok dance trend and thenpeople had to correct the shyt because them two white girls got famous from it and they acted like the black girl was just a "co-creator". At NBA all-star weekend that one year they were going to have the two white girls "teach people the dance" and people had to complain to get the black girl recognized. The white girls were acting like they were doing charity for the actual creator.

this is why we need to correct some shyt before it gets out of hand.

 

[TripleAgent]

I fw Tariq but he could've spoke on this years ago when breakdancing was announced as an olympic event.

He did, that's how this all started.

 

[that guy]

More disingenuous than anything from Tariq, because since did he all of a sudden care about break dancing. To add nikkas pretty much erased break dancing from the culture and let others have it, but because Tariq mentions it, nikkas wanna jump on a bandwagon. DISINGENUOUS

The irony of this post coming from “live from London”

Why are you so concerned about what African-Americans care about? Nobody erased break dancing from the culture. Black Americans create and then move on. They people like you in London catch on decades later.

You really want black people to break dance for 40 years straight

 

[that guy]

No. You totally missed the point. I was pointing out that if FBAs abandoned something that others picked up and ran with then it looks off crying after the fact over something that wasn't nurtured and secured once others got the recognition for something they started. It's like a toddler who abandoned a toy and only cares about it now that another baby is playing with it and is getting all the attention while playing with it.

You are totally missing the part where if breaking is abandoned and not secured by its creators and someone else runs with it the ones who are currently running with it will get more of the attention over the one who abandoned it.

Now do you understand?

Once again, just because we’re progressing the culture doesn’t mean we’ve abandoned anything. At this point you’re just being intentionally obtuse.

Black Americans don’t care who finally catches on to what we did decades ago whether it’s break dancing or tap dancing. Just don’t say you invented it.

How is break dancing not secured by black Americans? There’s literally movie franchises about break dancing

If black people didn’t move on from break dancing to create new dances y’all wouldn’t have anything new to copy like Taylor swift swag surfing 15 years after black people

 

[Wiseborn]

Hiphop is just a point of reference because it's currently "active" today. But this is also about Black American culture as a whole.

I think people just aren't used to Black Americans doing this because we let the shyt happen multiple times before with music and culture. That's why we have all these silly ass "yall didn't care about this before" comments. And like with Busta Rhymes saying we have no culture at all, and you got people like Burner Boy saying the same thing. At a certain point, what did people expect to happen? Black Americans been locked out of all sorts of things like the economy, education, judicial system, etc...culture is the last frontier. And this lockout was starting hiphop.

I think it's wild that people are either ignoring the Bustas and Fat Joes starting the shyt, or they're basically just trying straight up use gaslighting by calling us defending our culture some kind of analogous to white supremacists. Either way people are being obtuse and think we're retarded.

The bolded is true. FBA's never moved like this or acted like they had an issue with other people infiltrated and dominating the culture frankly we always seemed to welcome it.

No one said anything when Benny Goodman was proclaimed the " King of Swing"

Tariq has every right to bring this up. But the hard part comes with Supporting FBA Brakers because I'm sure there's some still around other than that shyt would come off as fake.