Steph entered the NBA in 09.. Bron 03 they both have 4 rings

[Gangstar8]

This is why lebron is ass

 

[Still Benefited]

Only on the coli can somebody be a finals lock for 8 years in a row, 4x FMVP, and the first player to lead all 5 statistical categories in a finals series, and still get questioned as to when they dominated league

“Only” 4 rings tho wow what a disappointment and underachiever

It was the east, wouldve liked to see him try that in the west

 

[In The Zone '98]

It was the east, wouldve liked to see him try that in the west

He woulda did the same thing, honestly.

 

[Still Benefited]

He woulda did the same thing, honestly.

Go to the finals every year? When he struggled with JJ Barrerras Dallas Mavericks while on a superteam? Not with a another star would ot have been a lock. And definitely not with a team the caliber of those Cavs teams. But in 2023 Mike Brown doesnt seem to be the goofy ass coach he was advertised as.

 

[SCORCH]

Steph got 4 as that guy... KD putting up better scoring numbers for the finals series doesn't automatically mean he was the guy... that team still ran through, and is validated by how he got 2 without KD while KD has none without Steph

last year showed that

Facts.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Bill Russell had 11 rings in 13 years. Way more than Bron or Steph combined. And he had more MVP awards than either of them.

 

[MostReal]

Since 2015 it's been Steph era

Lebron is only good for off the court headlines at this point

 

[NormanConnors]

Bron was drafted to the worst team in the league and immediately turned them into a 60 win team

Curry was trash to start his career which allowed the Warriors to draft Klay, Draymond, and Barnes (who they later turned into KD)


So now the actual finals doesn't matter

and Shaq was still better than Kobe in that series

Shouldn't have to explain to these idiots breh

 

[fifth column]

Facts.

This proved to be an all time failed strategy

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And Shaq averaged 13 ppg and still won a title on D-Whistle's coattail.

Notice that no one ever uses that title to define Shaq's legacy. It's almost as if most fan bases realize that sidekick rings have little relevance to GOAT discussions.


And that's despite Shaq's 14-10-3 on 61% shooting in the 2006 Finals being far superior to Kobe's 15-3-3 on 37% shooting in 2000. His performances the rest of that playoff run were more significant too.

 

[Premeditated]

no player have played with more elite players in their prime in nba history than Lebron




....and Durant

edit: but Curry only has one finals mvp

so....they all overrated

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I ALREADY ADDRESSED YOUR NONSENSE EARLIER IN THIS THREAD

THE 2000 TITLE WAS WON VS PORTLAND, PARTICULARLY IN THAT GAME 7, WHICH KOBE PLAYED MUCH BETTER THAN SHAQ IN

lol, so NOW the Conference Finals suddenly count for legacy when Kobe is involved? EVERY conference finals of LeBron's career was better than Kobe's 2000 WCF, but somehow that performance puts him over Bron? Kobe wasn't even a top-two player on the court, Shaq's 26-12-4 on 54% shooting and Sheed's 23-7-2 on 50% shooting were both superior to Kobe's 20-5-6 on 44% shooting.

Kobe's games that series include:

4-9 shooting for 13-3-6
2-9 shooting for 12-2-4
5-15 shooting for 18-4-7
4-13 shooting for 17-5-4

But you think THAT is the series that puts Kobe over Bron.



Yeah, Kobe had a decent Game 7. Managed 25-11-7 on 9-19 shooting, though he was only 6-12 from the line including two huge misses with 30 seconds left. Lakers didn't win cause of a 9-19 shooting performance, they won cause refs fouled Sabonis and Pippen out of the game, gave the Lakers 37 free throws to Portland's 16, and Blazers choked in the 4th.

For Kobe, that goes down as a "career-defining moment." For LeBron, it would be tied for the worst Game 7 performance of his entire career.

 

[Sccit]

lol, so NOW the Conference Finals suddenly count for legacy when Kobe is involved? EVERY conference finals of LeBron's career was better than Kobe's 2000 WCF, but somehow that performance puts him over Bron? Kobe wasn't even a top-two player on the court, Shaq's 26-12-4 on 54% shooting and Sheed's 23-7-2 on 50% shooting were both superior to Kobe's 20-5-6 on 44% shooting.

Kobe's games that series include:

4-9 shooting for 13-3-6
2-9 shooting for 12-2-4
5-15 shooting for 18-4-7
4-13 shooting for 17-5-4

But you think THAT is the series that puts Kobe over Bron.



Yeah, Kobe had a decent Game 7. Managed 25-11-7 on 9-19 shooting, though he was only 6-12 from the line including two huge misses with 30 seconds left. Lakers didn't win cause of a 9-19 shooting performance, they won cause refs fouled Sabonis and Pippen out of the game, gave the Lakers 37 free throws to Portland's 16, and Blazers choked in the 4th.

For Kobe, that goes down as a "career-defining moment." For LeBron, it would be tied for the worst Game 7 performance of his entire career.

AGAIN.. TRYING TOO HARD

FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL BEYOND NUMBERS, WE SAW KOBE PUT UP A GOAT LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND BREAK OUT IN THAT GAME 7

FOR THOSE OF U WHO HATE KOBE WIT A PASSION, YOU’LL DENY IT TIL DEATH

 

[Professor Emeritus]

AGAIN.. TRYING TOO HARD

FOR THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL BEYOND NUMBERS, WE SAW KOBE PUT UP A GOAT LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND BREAK OUT IN THAT GAME 7

You got one part right, it was a nice break-out game for a player who until then had an extremely underwhelming playoff legacy. After 3.5 years of underperforming in the playoffs and a pretty damn poor first 6 games of the series, Kobe finally arrived with a decent game, 39 games into his playoff career.

But again, it's hilarious that because of a horrendous and downright forgettable Finals, you're trying to play up a single WCF game as the moment that puts Kobe over Bron as a GOAT, while simultaneously claiming that none of Bron's legendary conference finals performances count towards his legacy at all.

Lebron looked better in his FIRST playoff game than Kobe did in his 39th, despite not having a Shaq to draw the other team's defensive attention.

 

[Sccit]

You got one part right, it was a nice break-out game for a player who until then had an extremely underwhelming playoff legacy. After 3.5 years of underperforming in the playoffs and a pretty damn poor first 6 games of the series, Kobe finally arrived with a decent game, 39 games into his playoff career.

But again, it's hilarious that because of a horrendous and downright forgettable Finals, you're trying to play up a single WCF game as the moment that puts Kobe over Bron as a GOAT, when Bron has an entire career of putting together games twice as good as that in his sleep.

Lebron looked better in his FIRST playoff game than Kobe did in his 39th, despite not having a Shaq to draw the other team's defensive attention.

YEA YOURE RIGHT.. LEBRON LOOKS BETTER (TO CASUALS) BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW TO INEFFECTIVELY STUFF THE STAT SHEET


KOBE IS BETTER, BECAUSE HIS FOCUS IS ON WINS, NOT STATS



U WANA DOWNPLAY THAT GOAT LEVEL GAME 7 PERFORMANCE BECAUSE U HATE KOBE… LETS JUST ASK SHAQ





SIT DOWN