Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!

[Uptown WaYo87]

Jesus christ ya still yapping about this same subject. Ya can go as hard as ya want to go, the fact is you're not going to go up the bronx today in 2022 and change people's opinions

Ya can discredit Latinos all ya want, it's not going to change the fact multiple generations grew up in a Hip hop culture from the day they was born

One of the main problems here, is you guys are trying to call anyone not FBAS "culture vultures" because "there's no recorded history of not even one latino/Caribbean involved in hip hop between 1970 and 1975. Therefore every latino/Caribbean after those years is a culture vulture.. get off our dikk "

If thats the case, the Westcoast, down south and mid west are all culture vultures for biting off NYC shyt. Anyone born after 1975 is a biter. Why ya couldn't come up with your own shyt in the west coast? Down south? Why ya biting nyc for?

Majority of you Here are not from NYC and DO NOT KNOW the landscape of the bronx or its demographics. Quote whoever you want, none of those people can say they knew EVERY SINGLE person in the bronx that pushed the culture in their neighborhood.

There so many hood legends in NY that no one will ever know about in a city this populated, but you guys think you have all the answers in one book? The only Latinos that were involved are the ones you heard about on the internet?

keep going hard fellas

 

[Ish Gibor]

Herc, Baam and Flash all operated within an established ADOS dj culture, nothing about what they did was deeply rooted in the Caribbean even by their own admission

Herc's direct influence by his own recount of his djing history, were the local ADOS djs that would become early Disco Djs (this is before the label "Disco" came into play).

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Flash was schooled by Pete Dj Jones

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Baam was schooled/put on by by Dj Kool D and Disco King Mario and influenced by the mobile disco jocks

Just listened to this documentary about House music.

At 11:50 is being explained some of the DJ culture in New York during the ‘70s, on how they extended disco songs, which became the foundation for house. Remember, Frankie Nuckles was from the Bronx and had moved to Chicago.

 

[Shadow King]

All you have left now is trolling the thread and platform with diarrhea babble. No relevant contribution, nothing to add to this conversation.

I am pro unity amongst the diaspora, but I am also honest enough to tell history the way it is! That’s the respect Black Americans deserve!

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Does the large Caribbean presence in NYC's Hip Hop scene explain the disconnect with other regions?

Sad how people are ignorant of Black entertainment culture and history. Anyway, the US mainland has influenced the Caribbean and vice versa. Why? Because during the '60s, '70s and '80s even '90s we have Pan Africanism going on. Hip Hop culture is a mixed bag of Black Americans (already in the...

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The Maerschalck map of the City of New York is a historic map made in 1754 that clearly shows the African Burial Ground and its surrounding neighborhood

African Burial Ground National Monument (U.S. National Park Service)

And still, you haven't addressed lying about what I've stated in my debate with you and think maps and links make up for it. I'm adding nothing but you're still responding? Says quite a bit about you lol

I'm not the troll here, but I'll be the actual intelligent person in this exchange and place you on ignore since you cannot stop insulting in place of being able or unable to prove the lie of telling me something that I said in order to discredit.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

The whole style of speaker systems loud enough to fill a neighborhood is rooted in reggae, as is dubbing. The style of music those late 60s/early 70s DJs were using.

it came from the disco djs as pointed out in this thread

And black american djs were not bumping reggae or jamaican music. Especially not in the 60s

 

[Shadow King]

it came from the disco djs as pointed out in this thread

And black american djs were not bumping reggae or jamaican music. Especially not in the 60s

It came from both.

Black Americans and Caribbean Americans lived next to each other in New York. They didn't need to like reggae to be exposed to the set up how to play music on that scale.

But your signature tells me what I know already.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The whole style of speaker systems loud enough to fill a neighborhood is rooted in reggae,

No, the basic concept came from Southern dancehall (as in place to listen to music and party)/juke joint concept

as is dubbing.

that also came from the USA and was born out the A side/ B Side dynamic

Soul/R&B guys were doing what we now call "dubs" and "versions"

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The style of music those late 60s/early 70s DJs were using.

what we now call "dubby" sounding was being done by Hendrix in the 1960s before the Jamaican peeped game, and this has been acknowledged by Tubby and Lee Perry

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In summary, the Jamaican soundsystem and the ADOS Disco soundsystem difference is the latter, is based around the mixing and blending of records by way of beat matching and identifying the break(s). This also incorporates double copies for record manipulation, a practice totally absent in Jamaican djing but gave way to HipHop djing.

Listen to an OG jamaican selector explain this reality/difference

 

[Shadow King]

No, the basic concept came from Southern dancehall (as in place to listen to music and party)/juke joint concept





that also came from the USA and was born out the A side/ B Side dynamic

Soul/R&B guys were doing what we now call "dubs" and "versions"

what we now call "dubby" sounding was being done by Hendrix in the 1960s before the Jamaican peeped game, and this has been acknowledged by Tubby and Lee Perry

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In summary, the Jamaican soundsystem and the ADOS Disco soundsystem difference is the latter, is based around the mixing and blending of records by way of beat matching and identifying the break(s). This also incorporates double copies for record manipulation, a practice totally absent in Jamaican djing but gave way to HipHop djing.

Listen to an OG jamaican selector explain this reality/difference

Did we create salsa too?

 

[K.O.N.Y]

It came from both.

Black Americans and Caribbean Americans lived next to each other in New York. They didn't need to like reggae to be exposed to the set up how to play music on that scale.

But your signature tells me what I know already.

If they weren't attending the parties then how did the influence get there?

We are talking ORIGINS. The origin of Dj nyc culture and really modern dj culture in general, is rooted in the disco dj

Hip hop owes its debt in disco culture sonically aswell

You mentioned "deep" roots as it pertains to caribbean dj culture. You still haven't defined what that is

It would be different if this thread was a back and forth of nikkas just saying anything, or what ought to be true

No cats is dropping receipts in here, while you on some "bro you just had to be there,dude" type shyt

 

[Shadow King]

If they weren't attending the parties then how did the influence get there?

We are talking ORIGINS. The origin of Dj nyc culture and really modern dj culture in general, is rooted in the disco dj

Hip hop owes its debt in disco culture sonically aswell

You mentioned "deep" roots as it pertains to caribbean dj culture. You still haven't defined what that is

It would be different if this thread was a back and forth of nikkas just saying anything, or what ought to be true

No cats is dropping receipts in here, while you on some "bro you just had to be there,dude" type shyt

What receipts have you posted yourself? You on the same type of time, Brigadier General.

 

[boriquaking]

Not defending dude, I’ll get to chastising soon but hip hop was officially founded ‘78-‘79 everything else was it still building up to that. However what I said in that thread which I’ll remix here is that rapping, making music is the only relevant element to hip hop so all black artists are the sole reason hip hop is the way it is today. Latinos wouldn’t have done this on their own. It’s equivalent to being in a play and the people who set the stage say they were ones who did the great performance on stage knowing damn well they were behind the scenes at best.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Did we create salsa too?

no retort for the jamaican origin claims you made that I easily proved false?

 

[Shadow King]

no retort for the jamaican origin claims you made that I easily proved false?

Yes. I think you know the culture is not strictly on the backs of ADOS people but I know what this thread is.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yes. I think you know the culture is not strictly on the backs of ADOS people but I know what this thread is.

For the record on your Salsa question. I'll let the NYC Latinos tell you the answer

 

[Shadow King]

For the record on your Salsa question. I'll let the NYC Latinos tell you the answer

I'm not talking about Africa we already know this whole hemisphere is the disaspora

Oh African American big bands? Meaning jazz? A genre that draws from European harmony as well as African rhythm? So would you say jazz is European by this logic?

 

[K.O.N.Y]

What receipts have you posted yourself? You on the same type of time, Brigadier General.

everything im saying is already backed in this thread

nothing your saying is