Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!

[Ish Gibor]

Neither of those records are fussing over what ethnic group started or didn't start hip-hop, but since I'm sure you're talking about names named, I wonder how many of those names are names of non-ADOS black men. At least 3 of them (Flash, Bambaata, Herc). KRS himself is half-Jamaican and heavily influenced by reggae. So for Busta in particular, no, he needs to make 0 apologies.

Babble box, Hip Hop arose from the Black Spades and 5%. Both are foundational to Black American history, which expounded during the civil rights era and Black Power movement.


Types like you think you say something extraordinary, when you don’t.

The foundation is not with Caribbean people. And you need to stop spreading this utter nonsense. Bam was a baby Spade, not a 1st division. The Zulu arose out of the Black Spades, after Bam had to ask for validation. After this was granted he continued the Zulu nation.

 

[Ish Gibor]

He said the US has no culture, which may include but is not exclusive to Blacks from the US, which apparently y'all are taking it as.

The foundation of the USA is Black American culture. Do some research into anthropology, archaeology and American history. Southern cuisine is Black American culture. The music is Black American culture. Even the way early houses was built is Black American culture. The way Manhattan’s topology was built is Black American history and culture.



Btw, Flash is from Barbados, not Jamaica. And KRS stepfather is / was Jamaican, not his biological father.

 

[Ish Gibor]

The response of a defeated man




KRS was smart enough to realize he was spreading false info and had to own up to it




Busta better come out of hiding and do the same

He needs to apologize.

 

[Shadow King]

The foundation of the USA is Black American culture. Do some research into anthropology, archaeology and American history. Southern cuisine is Black American culture. The music is Black American culture. Even the way early houses was built is Black American culture. The way Manhattan’s topology was built is Black American history and culture.



Btw, Flash is from Barbados, not Jamaica. And KRS stepfather is / was Jamaican, not his biological father.

Who said anything about extraordinary? The art form and culture comes from mostly Black Americans with critical figures and elements that aren't. Stay in Europe.

I didn't tell you Flash was Jamaican. I said 3 names were non-ADOS. And KRS has said out his own mouth his biological father is Jamaican.

Pop/Jazz; Rap Leads to Respectability and Academia for KRS-One (Published 1989)

www.nytimes.com

If you're going to be arrogant get your minutae right. You don't know what "my type" is. Stay sensitive about a culture you have no parts of from over there.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Who said anything about extraordinary? The art form and culture comes from mostly Black Americans with critical figures and elements that aren't. Stay in Europe.

What you stated was not impressive, at least I wasn’t impressed.

The art form indeed has deep roots in particularly the Carolinas.

I didn't tell you Flash was Jamaican. I said 3 names were non-ADOS. And KRS has said out his own mouth his biological father is Jamaican.

Yes, you did and I emphasized on the fact that Flash is Barbadian. I’m not going to argue of KRS. I heard him say the opposite.

Pop/Jazz; Rap Leads to Respectability and Academia for KRS-One (Published 1989)

www.nytimes.com

If you're going to be arrogant get your minutae right. You don't know what "my type" is. Stay sensitive about a culture you have no parts of from over there.

I have part in it, that I spoke with The Jungle Brothers about this is already in ‘88. Where I told Afrika Baby Bam about the Black Spades and how it was necessary to preserve the history, heritage and culture. He agreed with me, while Mike G was upset with me for saying these things. Queen Latifah was there to that particular day, but she was not in that conversation. I did have some other intrigue conversations with her.

 

[Shadow King]

What you stated was not impressive, at least I wasn’t impressed.

The art form indeed has deep roots in particularly the Carolinas.

Yes, you did and I emphasized on the fact that Flash is Barbadian. I’m not going to argue of KRS. I heard him say the opposite.



I have part in it, that I spoke with The Jungle Brothers about this is already in ‘88. Where I told Afrika Baby Bam about the Black Spades and how it was necessary to preserve the history, heritage and culture. He agreed with me, while Mike G was upset with me for saying these things. Queen Latifah was there to that particular day, but she was not in that conversation. I did have some other intrigue conversations with her.

I don't care what you found impressive because I'm not here to impress you.

No, I did not specifically tell you Flash was Jamaican. Find this statement. I said at least 3 of the names named in the songs you tried to use are non-American Black men and emphasized KRS being Jamaican.

The art form also has deep roots in the Caribbean.

You spoke to a 2nd gen Bajan-Jamaican about preservation of the culture

Stay over there.

 

[Knicksman20]

Who said anything about extraordinary? The art form and culture comes from mostly Black Americans with critical figures and elements that aren't. Stay in Europe.

I didn't tell you Flash was Jamaican. I said 3 names were non-ADOS. And KRS has said out his own mouth his biological father is Jamaican.

Pop/Jazz; Rap Leads to Respectability and Academia for KRS-One (Published 1989)

www.nytimes.com

If you're going to be arrogant get your minutae right. You don't know what "my type" is. Stay sensitive about a culture you have no parts of from over there.

Nah bro. It's 100% AA from graffiti that started around 1968 from an AA named Cornbread from Philly, to break dancing that began with the Black Spades around 1970, to the first emcee Coke La Rock from the BX who's family roots are from the Carolina's. And all of these AA's were born in the 50's which predates any PR influence. PR's didn't start participating till around 1975 or after

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I don't care what you found impressive because I'm not here to impress you.

No, I did not specifically tell you Flash was Jamaican. Find this statement. I said at least 3 of the names named in the songs you tried to use are non-American Black men and emphasized KRS being Jamaican.

The art form also has deep roots in the Caribbean.

You spoke to a 2nd gen Bajan-Jamaican about preservation of the culture

Stay over there.

You keep saying this is not going to make it true

Deep roots is a strong term

What part of hip hop has roots or even deep roots from the Caribbean

 

[Shadow King]

Nah bro. It's 100% AA from graffiti that started around 1968 from an AA named Cornbread from Philly, to break dancing that began with the Black Spades around 1970, to the first emcee Coke La Rock from the BX who's family roots are from the Carolina's. And all of these AA's were born in the 50's which predates any PR influence. PR's didn't start participating till around 1975 or after

You keep saying this is not going to make it true

Deep roots is a strong term

What part of hip hop has roots or even deep roots from the Caribbean

We made reggae and dancehall too y'all got it

 

[Black Man of the Nile]

Puerto Ricans created Gospel Music

 

[Ish Gibor]

I don't care what you found impressive because I'm not here to impress you.

No, I did not specifically tell you Flash was Jamaican. Find this statement. I said at least 3 of the names named in the songs you tried to use are non-American Black men and emphasized KRS being Jamaican.

The art form also has deep roots in the Caribbean.

You spoke to a 2nd gen Bajan-Jamaican about preservation of the culture

Stay over there.

Translation of the above is. I am completely cornered and have no valid arguments.

Tell, where were you at the time, what were you do at the time?

Yes, for sure I’m staying over here. lol

Meanwhile, whites are completely absorbing and capitalizing on it. Yet you have no smoke for them. Dumb negroe!

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I don't care what you found impressive because I'm not here to impress you.

No, I did not specifically tell you Flash was Jamaican. Find this statement. I said at least 3 of the names named in the songs you tried to use are non-American Black men and emphasized KRS being Jamaican.

The art form also has deep roots in the Caribbean.

You spoke to a 2nd gen Bajan-Jamaican about preservation of the culture

Stay over there.

Herc, Baam and Flash all operated within an established ADOS dj culture, nothing about what they did was deeply rooted in the Caribbean even by their own admission

Herc's direct influence by his own recount of his djing history, were the local ADOS djs that would become early Disco Djs (this is before the label "Disco" came into play).

Spoiler

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Flash was schooled by Pete Dj Jones

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Baam was schooled/put on by by Dj Kool D and Disco King Mario and influenced by the mobile disco jocks

 

[Shadow King]

Translation of the above is. I am completely cornered and have no valid arguments.

Tell, where were you at the time, what were you do at the time?

Yes, for sure I’m staying over here. lol

Meanwhile, whites are completely absorbing and capitalizing on it. Yet you have no smoke for them. Dumb negroe!

Translation of the above is. I'm making shyt up and I'm refusing to admit so.

White folks capitalize on the culture because the face and voice of the culture (rappers) are now penalized for rapping and having vocabularies. A different issue from the diaspora wars that this conversation falls under. How do know if I have smoke for whites in hip-hop or not? You're coming off as a female right now throwing shyt against the wall on a character basis. This is your second time doing so.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Translation of the above is. I'm making shyt up and I'm refusing to admit so.

White folks capitalize on the culture because the face and voice of the culture (rappers) are now penalized for rapping and having vocabularies. A different issue from the diaspora wars that this conversation falls under. How do know if I have smoke for whites in hip-hop or not? You're coming off as a female right now throwing shyt against the wall on a character basis. This is your second time doing so.

All you have left now is trolling the thread and platform with diarrhea babble. No relevant contribution, nothing to add to this conversation.

I am pro unity amongst the diaspora, but I am also honest enough to tell history the way it is! That’s the respect Black Americans deserve!

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[Shadow King]

Herc, Baam and Flash all operated within an established ADOS dj culture, nothing about what they did was deeply rooted in the Caribbean even by their own admission

Herc's direct influence by his own recount of his djing history, were the local ADOS djs that would become early Disco Djs (this is before the label "Disco" came into play).

Spoiler

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Flash was schooled by Pete Dj Jones

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Baam was schooled/put on by by Dj Kool D and Disco King Mario and influenced by the mobile disco jocks

The whole style of speaker systems loud enough to fill a neighborhood is rooted in reggae, as is dubbing. The style of music those late 60s/early 70s DJs were using.