Rican HipHop pioneers giving the dates of when they entered/first saw HipHop being done. They were not there from the start by their own admissions!

[Knicksman20]

he definetely needs to apologize for saying we get out culture from the carribean

This clown went on Drink Champs talking this nonsense showing his ignorance. Spreading lies & disinformation acting like he's some kind of authority talking about he did the research. He's clueless and I'm glad he's been getting called out

 

[Rekkapryde]

this goofy shyt still going on

 

[Shadow King]

then you agree with him saying west indians and latinos having the greatest influence on american culture?

I think he's misspeaking and magnifying a New York phenomenon into a national one. From the perspective of a New York 70/80s kid he has a strong argument.

 

[Knicksman20]

I think he's misspeaking and magnifying a New York phenomenon into a national one. From the perspective of a New York 70/80s kid he has a strong argument.

But Busta is claiming he did the research when it's clear he hasn't. The real pioneers were born in the 50's & a good portion were Black Spades bringing break dancing to the forefront which were AA's. And AA's were the original hip hop DJ's that brought 2 turntables in the mix; not Herc

 

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

@IllmaticDelta is probably one of the best posters on this site

Go write a book

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Y'all are taking that literal. Hip-hop is 50 years old. If a 50 year old man has had friend or kept an item since elementary school, we wouldn't blink at the concept of that friend or item "being there from the start"

...that's exactly the point you're missing, Nuyoricans and Blacks (of the age that would birth the HipHop culture) weren't "friends" by any measure. The way we think of Rican and Black unity is a product of the 1980s. HipHop was almost a decade old by the time masses of Ricans flooded into the scene and would give way to the Black/Rican unity myth that we think of today.

This is a case of people not being from the area taking arms for not understanding the dynamics between the 2 groups in the first place, or they'd already know not all Ricans were down with hip-hop and not all Blacks were initially welcoming to those who were.

The underlying aspect that you/many keep missing is that in that era, even outside of HipHop, Ricans and Blacks at large didn't rock with each other at all. It's people after the fact trying to paint that relationship (because of what they saw in early 1980s hiphop discourse) as something that didn't exist in the way that the 1980s would have you believe.

 

[King Sun]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I think he's misspeaking and magnifying a New York phenomenon into a national one. From the perspective of a New York 70/80s kid he has a strong argument.

Busta is wrong by all measures. Even in the 80s, NYC urban culture was still completely dominated by ADOS urban culture. How do you think Busta got interested in this ADOS quasi-religion?



why do you think Nuyoricans in the 80s were running around with 5% names like "Supreme Magnetic"?

Ramble79​

6 months ago
The God Body era didn’t matter if you’re PR or Black everyone chilled together.

 

[Shadow King]

...that's exactly the point you're missing, Nuyoricans and Blacks (of the age that would birth the HipHop culture) weren't "friends" by any measure. The way we think of Rican and Black unity is a product of the 1980s. HipHop was almost a decade old by the time masses of Ricans flooded into the scene and would give way to the Black/Rican unity myth that we think of today.



The underlying aspect that you/many keep missing is that in that era, even outside of HipHop, Ricans and Blacks at large didn't rock with each other at all. It's people after the fact trying to paint that relationship (because of what they saw in early 1980s hiphop discourse) as something that didn't exist in the way that the 1980s would have you believe.

I'd go for this if my mother's side weren't of this age and Brooklynites. This is a blanket statement that isn't necessarily true.

Busta is wrong by all measures. Even in the 80s, NYC urban culture was still completely dominated by ADOS urban culture. How do you think Busta got interested in this ADOS quasi-religion?



why do you think Nuyoricans in the 80s were running around with 5% names like "Supreme Magnetic"?

Nonetheless, Ricans didn't exist in the hip-hop realm until the 80s and Caribbean people had nothing to do with hip-hop. Y'all got it

 

[K.O.N.Y]

He said the US has no culture, which may include but is not exclusive to Blacks from the US, which apparently y'all are taking it as.

Which is wrong on both fronts

How can you become “Americanized” if Americans don’t have a culture

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I'd go for this if my mother's side weren't of this age and Brooklynites. This is a blanket statement that isn't necessarily true.

This is why I said "at large". Obviously there existed individuals who broke away from the social norms. My mother was born and raised in 1950s South Bronx. Her godmother was Puerto Rican....my mother even told me that they (ados fam) knew an Italian American fam that owned a Pizza shop that would call them (my mom/her siblings) over to get free pizza. That wasn't the norm though between those 3 groups (Blacks, Ricans, Italians) back then.

Nonetheless, Ricans didn't exist in the hip-hop realm until the 80s and Caribbean people had nothing to do with hip-hop. Y'all got it

You gonna bow out that easily? Grand Puba, another Jamaican-American from the same age range as Busta, was on that ADOS 5% wave







Ricans and West Indian youths in the 1980s were 'fitting in" to blend in ADOS urban culture. This is just 100% undeniable facts. One cold easily make the case that West Indian culture didn't actually stand out to the masses in Urban NYC until near the late 1980s/ early 1990s. Nuyorican urban culture was actually more prominent than West Indian culture in NYC going back to the 1960s but its height was connected to and faded with the Salsa movement of the 1970s. Which is why its easy to see why Busta's statement was 100%

 

[Shadow King]

This is why I said "at large". Obviously there existed individuals who broke away from the social norms. My mother was born and raised in 1950s South Bronx. Her godmother was Puerto Rican....my mother even told me that they (ados fam) knew an Italian American fam that owned a Pizza shop that would call them (my mom/her siblings) over to get free pizza. That wasn't the norm though between those 3 groups (Blacks, Ricans, Italians) back then.



You gonna bow out that easily? Grand Puba, another Jamaican-American from the same age range as Busta, was on that ADOS 5% wave







Ricans and West Indian youths in the 1980s were 'fitting in" to blend in ADOS urban culture. This is just 100% undeniable facts. One cold easily make the case that West Indian culture didn't actually stand out to the masses in Urban NYC until near the late 1980s/ early 1990s. Nuyorican urban culture was actually more prominent than West Indian culture in NYC going back to the 1960s but its height was connected to and faded with the Salsa movement of the 1970s. Which is why its easy to see why Busta's statement was 100%

I repeat

Nonetheless, Ricans didn't exist in the hip-hop realm until the 80s and Caribbean people had nothing to do with hip-hop. Y'all got it

We made everything 100% and nobody else was anywhere for nothing. All groups must bow to us. Y'all got it

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I repeat


We made everything 100% and nobody else was anywhere for nothing. All groups must bow to us. Y'all got it

The response of a defeated man

Neither of those records are fussing over what ethnic group started or didn't start hip-hop, but since I'm sure you're talking about names named, I wonder how many of those names are names of non-ADOS black men. At least 3 of them (Flash, Bambaata, Herc). KRS himself is half-Jamaican and heavily influenced by reggae. So for Busta in particular, no, he needs to make 0 apologies.

KRS was smart enough to realize he was spreading false info and had to own up to it




Busta better come out of hiding and do the same

 

[Shadow King]

The response of a defeated man




KRS was smart enough to realize he was spreading false info and had to own up to it




Busta better come out of hiding and do the same

Not really but y'all know everything and playing defense

 

[Amo Husserl]

Busta is wrong by all measures. Even in the 80s, NYC urban culture was still completely dominated by ADOS urban culture. How do you think Busta got interested in this ADOS quasi-religion?



why do you think Nuyoricans in the 80s were running around with 5% names like "Supreme Magnetic"?

You know I was waiting.
Wakeel Allah mentions when the Father was in Matteawan he inducted a WM into the movement, Azrael. Reading his book cover to cover, if 5%ers were the basis of knowledge absorbed into hip-hop it's clear to see where Busta got it wrong. It looks deliberate on his part. Further spreading the falsities makes his association with the knowledge worse. I suspect by the 80s both Nations, parent and child, were completely compromised.
Aforementioned, if 5%ers were the basis of knowledge absorbed into hip-hop, it's clear to see how hip-hop not only became so integrated so fast but how this discussion is taking shape.